[hackerspaces] hackerspace demographics

Al Billings albill at openbuddha.com
Tue Jan 15 06:48:23 CET 2013

I think you've got it backwards as far as comments here. Most of them so far were dissing the folks who seemed to feel there was no gender issue. (In other words, we aren't asking were proof that there was an issue). 

Al Billings

On Monday, January 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Sam Ley wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com (mailto:matt at nycresistor.com)> wrote:
> > Despite the insipid commentary of the lesser trolls on this list.  I
> > am still curious about why you thought this was a gender conflict and
> > not a group dynamic conflict
> While the responses were a bit insipid, there was a point to be heard there, if you listen to it... A common feature of discussions regarding exclusion is that it is always initially difficult for people who are a member of the excluding group to sympathize with the excluded group. The stereotypical negative response by a member of the excluding group is to raise the burden of proof requirement so high that it becomes impossible to "prove" anything, thereby invalidating the experience of the excluded. Think Donald Trump's recent behavior if you want a funny example. 
> The topic is worth additional discussion, but don't be too hard on people who are already working from a point of disadvantage. Group dynamics are clearly at work, but gender is one of the most dominate aspects of group dynamics in most human interactions. 
> -Sam
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