[hackerspaces] Firearms in Hackerspaces?
opticfiber at gmail.com
Tue Jan 15 00:25:08 CET 2013
I'm part of a Hackerspace called NESIT based in CT in the US
Our rules state that members and guests don't break the law, and like noise bridge "Be Excellent to each other".
Many members carry and have permits to do so. Of the three years we've operated this has been a never been an issue for us.
- William Reyor
On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> one of the reasons I am skeptical about the idea that more guns == more safety is your statement below. You seem to think that "removing a gun wielding ass-hat would not a huge issue." if you and/or others had guns.
> bullets don't care who they penetrate. They go flying until they hit something or someone, and it's hard enough to aim them when you're not stressed out in a firefight with a crazy person. That's why if a shooting starts where I am, I am going to look for something to get behind that might stop bullets, which are hopefully coming from a single source.
> you seem to propose that multiple sources of bullets would make everyone safer, or that if the situation hasn't progressed to shooting yet, the "gun wielding ass-hat" would be more easily escorted off the property by armed hackers (as opposed to law enforcement or unarmed hackers).
> the NRA and gun nuts like those who suggest every school should have an armed guard (some say every classroom) say that more guns == more safe. Those people include Nancy Lanza (mother of the Newtown schooter and his first victim) and Keith Ratliff (found shot in his office) and countless parents whose children found their guns and killed themselves or others.
> I live in a neighborhood where I hear shots every week or two nearby. My friends have been mugged all over this city, often by a person with a gun. Fortunately they were not injured, but they lost their phone / wallet / cash. They did not fight back. They didn't want to get shot. Would you prefer to have a gun in that situation? Someone is pointing a gun at you and demanding your wallet, a few hundred dollars worth of your money. It's a speeding ticket. Do you really want to get in a gun battle and risk your life in that situation?
> it's obvious to me that people who advocate guns everywhere are a bit excited by the idea of using it to shoot a bad guy or save the day when there are bullets flying. it's also obvious to me that that is unreasonable and dangerous thinking, and that's why I would oppose people following through with that line of thinking (by carrying a gun) in any community space I am a part of.
> disclaimer: I own one and i shoot bottles and car parts and TVs with friends about once a year but i don't Carry it anywhere, Ever. I can't think of a single situation (other than hunting) that i would find myself in where that would be a good idea.
> note: if you're worried about muggers or hoodlums who are not carrying a gun, consider a crowbar for protection. They are available in several sizes, and are unlikely to be taken away from you if you hold onto the hook end, and should be enough to fend off anyone demanding your holdings without proper credentials (a gun).
> Chris Weiss wrote:
> so, ArchReactor has no specific gun rules. We do have a "don't be a
> dick" rule though, and we have enough concealed carry licensed members
> (that discretely do so) that removing a gun wielding ass-hat would not
> a huge issue.
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