[hackerspaces] [SpaceProgram] Transitioning to Google Groups
aurelien at cwb.io
Sat Oct 6 09:59:21 CEST 2012
Bryan Bishop <kanzure at gmail.com> writes:
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Alex Cureton-Griffiths <alexcg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On the caretaker list we've been kicking around the idea of transitioning
>> our public list to Google Groups. We'd like to hear some feedback from you
>> guys before we decide whether to go ahead.
> Lately it seems like Google has been trying to kill their Google
> Groups product. I am sure some of you have noticed their new UI and
> how they deprecated almost half of the mailing list pages. The URL
> structure has changed dramatically; some of the "old" group pages are
> still using the previous version, but it looks like new groups are
> lacking a number of features from the original Google Groups. Pages
> like /about and /topics and /thread are completely missing. Although
> the RSS urls are still working, the links are gone and not advertised.
> Additionally, the "email to subscribe" text seems to be vanished as
> well, except in the footers of outgoing email which offers a helpful
> unsubscribe address.
> Honestly, I was sort of upset about their new URL structure. It sucks
> in comparison to the old links.
> old hotness:
> new lameness:
> old hotness:
> new lameness:
> Anyway, it looks like they are planning to deprecate a lot of these
> features, and maybe they will even force users off of email in the
> future. I certainly don't want to use their shitty forums. :-\
>> WHY TRANSITION?
>> * Loads of hackerspaces are already using Google Groups, meaning more
>> people know how to use it, thus lower barrier to entry
> Email is even lower barrier to entry.
>> * Much easier to read threads and do searches, so clearer communication
>> and less duplication
> My email client makes reading threads a pleasure. I also like
> searching mail with notmuch.
>> * We've been hearing comments about how bad Mailman is
> yeah, well, contribute a patch :-)
>> * Less chance of email overload, since Google Groups lets you subscribe by
>> thread. Less risk of email overload = less annoyance for new users
> I don't think information overload is a real thing. It's just
> something that people make up when they hate to configure their email
> clients, I think.
>> WHY NOW?
>> We're going to put out our press release and start publicizing SpaceGAMBIT
>> and HSP soon. It'll be easier to transition now, while we're small and have
>> fewer members, than to try to drag a much larger community onto a new
> Do you really want to communicate with people who don't understand
> email? Look deep inside your heart before answering :-).
> - Bryan
> 1 512 203 0507
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