[hackerspaces] Help me make it happen for 'hackert0wn' on Indiegogo

Sam Ley sam.ley at gmail.com
Wed Oct 3 22:04:32 CEST 2012

Unfortunately when you get into land development you leave the world of
hacker ingenuity and enter the world of government and business interest.
Their schedule for getting building permits is nuts - I develop commercial
solar electric systems and even when every single stakeholder is on board
with our projects it can take 12-18 months to get through planning and
development review periods, at costs approaching $100k (just government
fees, not including people's time). You also can't DIY anything -
commercial construction all has to be done by licensed contractors (who
charge an arm and a leg in the five burroughs because it is so damn hard to
work there).

I'm not trying to whiz in anyone's Cheerios, but the project just isn't
feasible in the method, schedule and budget they are proposing. They need
to proof of concept it with some more realistic goals. The project seems
modular, but zoning and planning review don't see the world that way - say
they only get 200k instead of 1.5mil - they won't have 1/7th of Hackert0wn,
they'll have not even enough to get through zoning.


On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:54 PM, William Saturno <wsaturno at gmail.com> wrote:

> One great aspect of this idea is that this plan can become modular
> (pun intended) and be built by breaking it down into build stages.
> Will it be completed for the initial 1.5 investment? Doubtful. But a
> "stage 1" of a plan? Perhaps. Being that this thread is made up of
> mainly members of hackerspaces, you *know* what we can accomplish on
> meager or zero budgets. I also see that first hand at my own space
> what we have accomplished by the passion of membership.  Now, using
> that same hacker resourcefulness and and 'frugal"ness, I think that if
> this idea can reach a critical mass it may have it's own momentum to
> move forward on it's own. I'll be investing what I can on Indiegogo
> towards it. At the very very least, the challenge has been made to the
> status quo.
> Bill Saturno
> CT Hackerspace
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Ron Bean
> <makerspace at rbean.users.panix.com> wrote:
> > Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> writes:
> >
> >>Containers are intended to be used INDOORS.
> >
> > Wait, what?
> >
> > I thought they were intended to he hauled around on trucks, trains, and
> > cargo ships.
> >
> >>They need to be covered and raised off the
> >>ground.
> >
> > I'd agree with that part.
> >
> > The project page looks like a bunch of different projects that should be
> > pursued separately. I don't see the point of making it one huge project.
> >
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