[hackerspaces] Out with the "hackers"... In with the "makers" and the "fixers"

Mars brown itcamefrommars at gmail.com
Tue Nov 29 20:40:53 CET 2011

You know what.... I like the bumpersticker idea too... it just farted out
of my head...
but since i used to own a graphics shop and still have all the sign making
I'm gonna do what I can (it's little but easy for me) and make up some cut
vinyl stickers saying that.

Gives me something to do today instead of cleaning my shop -
If any spaces wants some stickers that says
"HACKING IS NOT A CRIME" in the style of the old skater stickers -
- email me your HSpaces address and I'll send some to yall.

I'll start with like 30 each space for the first 10 spaces to see if there
is any interest - and then maybe screen print them instead of cut vinyl if
interest demands more volume.

If you think it's dumb - keep it to yourself please... just trying to help
swing the tide (in the publics eye and doing something about it) and have


On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Will Bradley <bradley.will at gmail.com>wrote:

> Here's the definition I use. http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
> The term is risking dilution (a local group has a hacknight which is more
> of a programmer meetup than anything) but I think creative reuse,
> elegant/minimal code, and intrusion are all solidly in the Hack category.
> One of HeatSync's posters features the word hack prominently. I like the
> bumper sticker idea.
> On Nov 29, 2011 12:24 PM, "Mars brown" <itcamefrommars at gmail.com> wrote:
>> OK.. maybe Im trolling... but whatever.
>> How far does the term hacking go in new definitions?
>> Here's a copy paste from a forum post a couple of years ago that I posted.
>> ~ begin paste ~
>> *Why I cringe everytime I hear the word HACK now
>> *
>> thought yall might get a chuckle / cringe outa this abuse
>> http://www.parenthacks.com/
>> now hacking is the same as crafting and tips and tricks for stupid ideas.
>> there's an article on this site for band-aid hack....
>> it's using leaves in the woods for band-aids.
>> it's called covering the wound - and suppose they got lucky and didn't
>> pick poison ivy!
>> oh garsh... some great hacks too
>> like:
>> Contain small-parts toy play with a tray, cookie sheet or roasting pan
>> - uh....could we modify this for electronics components? a tray is a
>> genius idear.
>> or
>> Makeshift "peek-a-boo" nets you a few wiggle-free seconds to change a
>> diaper
>> - it's put a napkin on the kids face distraction hack
>> or
>> "Bumless" diaper lets diaper rash air out while containing the pee
>> " So, when I knew it would be a while before he was going to go #2 again
>> I got a diaper and cut the bum out of it. This way, he could air out a bit
>> but would be covered up front in case he had to pee."
>> If it were old school BOINGBOING magazine(not about babies... fringe
>> stuff reporting for the younger gens)... it'd be make your baby a cyborg
>> with a new CMOS behavior chip...
>> (I actually do remember an issue where someone surgically removed a tumor
>> from their cat... it was set up as a how to - we tried it on a mouse with a
>> tumor the size of it's normal body but the anesthesia was to difficult to
>> administer - he was dying anyhow and went the most peaceful way that way...
>> zzzz...)
>> I want CYBORG BABIES dammit!
>> how dissappointing this site is.
>> ~end paste ~
>> I really was very disappointed... I want cyborg babies.  Oh hurry up you
>> crazy singularity!
>> Cheers! - mars
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Mars brown <itcamefrommars at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Well... how about making some "HACKING IS NOT A CRIME" stickers like the
>>> skateboarding stickers we used in the 80's.
>>> Kinda the same delima... skaters were ruffians and hooligans in the
>>> public eye.
>>> Actually - if this is such a issue that is cared about so much - why
>>> don't we all (especially the more established and attention worthy spaces)
>>> make it part of their mission to clear up the name?
>>> Great promotional material there... I can easily see the local news
>>> media covering some interviews since it uses such a hot keyword like
>>> "HACKER" oooh aaah -  especially since it's a news worthy twist on the word
>>> - educating - relating - and general having non-malicious fun tinkering
>>> with computers/electronics/stuff.... and all in a creative and exciting way!
>>> Honestly - it blew me away when I first discovered the new use of the
>>> word -
>>> in the 80's - a hacker was a (general public eye) socially disgruntled
>>> malicious individual with elements of sociopathy and the power to express
>>> it all in a culture very new to dependencies on digital things.  Relatively
>>> little media coverage was present... and if you were not a hacker
>>> (negative) - you were a computer geek.
>>> in the 90's was the first time I ever heard of different colored
>>> hats.... white / black / grey... but still it was referencing only
>>> security/countersecurity of networks and data and such (mostly...
>>> disclaiming to prevent petty arguements)
>>> If you wanted to find any software or tools for hacking - they weren't
>>> called makerbot cupcakes, beagle data analyzers, arduino/processing,
>>> hammers and modified toys...
>>> NOPE - we used software called SATAN, Cain and Abel, Back Orifice...
>>> and had global organizations to publish sensitive data that the FBI
>>> subscribes to - and that was the scene...
>>> Even our local 2600 - which was mostly white with a couple of shades of
>>> grey - our big y2k conference (not about y2k) had tshirts printed of some
>>> picture of pompei type of catastrophe with the words underneath "That whole
>>> Y2K thing?  That was us."
>>> That was the embracing of the whole counterculture aspect even though
>>> none of us were malicious.. (or if we ever where we kinda grew up)
>>> Basically the word hacker means something to the public eye... who even
>>> coined the term?  Was it a news reporter in the tone of keying a label
>>> first?  like naming the serial killer?
>>> That's what a hacker is to some people... the name of a serial killer.
>>> OH WELL...
>>> It means something else now to alot of us and I think it's great...
>>> It distinguishes a hackerspace from a makerspace to me in that I know if
>>> I go to a meeting - I'll be assured it's more digital and electro dohickery.
>>> A makerspace is fantastic too.. but it's not as specific - and whereas
>>> sometimes I'm into macrame - it's nice to have a place that's pretty much
>>> 100% technocyberdelichyperactivity with similarly interested people...
>>> But the term hacking and hacker was the single and only verbage that
>>> USED to be related to the whole scene... and that was a counterculture
>>> scene.
>>> Hackerspaces are not counterculture at all.... but it uses the single
>>> word that defined a Techno Counterculture individual.
>>> It's maybe a shame that the media didn't grab onto Cyberpunk - but if
>>> they did - wouldn't we call ourselves cyberpunks?  (rhetoric... not queue
>>> for arguement)
>>> I think part of the reason the term hacker appeals is the old world
>>> image.... the midnight hacker.... but aren't we really more of midnight
>>> engineers?
>>> That btw was the name of a magazine in the 90's i used to read that was
>>> ALL about what gos on in hackerspaces.  It didn't mention HACK though...
>>> that was 2600 - the HACKER quarterly.  Good magazine (midnight
>>> engineer)... i remember the article regarding removing black epoxy on IC's
>>> that were meant to close source the use of a simple  CMOS chip in some
>>> product.
>>> So we're stuck with HACKER in the name hackerspace... it has some
>>> historical connotations...
>>> Let's make lemonade and use it to attract people from being afraid of
>>> electronics... or rather magic for most of the public...
>>> It seems like we could use some public redefining of "hacker" as a
>>> vehicle to educate and incubate interest in what we all are aparently
>>> pretty passionate about!
>>> BTW - what did happen to the evolution of the term hacker in the
>>> 2000's... all i remember was everyone wardriving, packetsniffing, and
>>> oldskoolers makiing fun of 31337 krypt skiddies while working for the man
>>> for 6 figure salaries.  Oh the H4X0R... it was H4X1N6 then....
>>> Anyhow... sorry for the long comment... hope it doesn't just help fuel
>>> wheel spinning. and bickering... let's think positive after accepting any
>>> negative and become active to change if it matters to ya!
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
>>>> I try my best to not have my vocabulary refined and dictated by
>>>> mainstream media. One of the general goals of Noisebridge is to educate,
>>>> part of that is to reclaim the term hacker as our own.
>>>> While visiting Pumping Station: One about a year or so ago, a discussion
>>>> got thrown around regarding doing exactly what you're proposing. Some
>>>> members felt the catch phrase "Chicago's Hacker Space" (or was it "Your
>>>> Chicago's Hacker Space" don't remember) was spreading the wrong message.
>>>> Anyhow the discussion went in circles for that night and no one really
>>>> won (where I see this thread going). I see now they're catch phrase is
>>>> "Make. Hack. Craft." which I think is great and works for both crowds.
>>>> Additionally to people "making" and "creating" stuff at Noisebridge, we
>>>> also totally hack things in the conventional sense.
>>>> If I gave up and let mainstream media and the general public direct me
>>>> in what words to use when describing who I am because I didn't want to
>>>> spend the time to educate them, I would have a white armband on with
>>>> CAMEL JOCKEY RAPIST HACKER". I would throw STEAM PUNK in there (there's
>>>> a true story behind that) but that might seem a bit ironic for the wrong
>>>> reasons. :)
>>>> --
>>>> Rubin
>>>> rubin at starset.net
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