[hackerspaces] Finding Donors

Far McKon farmckon at gmail.com
Wed Nov 23 20:24:17 CET 2011

In the 'nifty quotes' category on the 'hacking is education' topic.

“I don’t like the term hacking because it’s been portrayed by the
media as something evil, To me, hacking is actually very American. Go
out to the garage. Take it apart. Make it better.”  - Phil Sadow


Hack on,
- Far McKon

http://www.FarMcKon.net "Creatively Maladjusted"

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Will Bradley <will at heatsynclabs.org> wrote:
> It's typically petty stuff. For example a non-hacker might feel slighted and
> looks for excuses to sue, like safety (despite them perhaps being a hazard
> to themselves.)
> There may still be legalities with the owner of equipment. Not to mention,
> do you have a lawyer-approved contract with the owner? If not, you might
> actually be in worse shape because all sorts of things can be concocted.
> I wouldn't worry too much about lawsuits, personally. Worry about safety,
> maybe insurance (accidents WILL happen), and security (theft WILL happen)
> but doing the right thing should make lawsuits an empty threat. So warning
> signs, liability waivers, etc.
> I'm not a lawyer but it's pretty easy to argue that a hackerspace itself is
> educational by nature of the skills one can gain there. You need to spend a
> certain percentage of your income on "programs" to stay cool with the IRS,
> but I'm pretty sure purchase of a lathe would count whereas toilet paper
> might not. When the space itself is educational, even your rent may count.
> Plus you'll likely teach classes anyway at some point. Also consider that
> any large donors could essentially pay for an instructor or classes
> coordinator. Again I'm not speaking authoritatively in any of these posts,
> consult a nonprofit lawyer or Space Federation and decide what's best for
> you. If it's just you and 10 friends you're in a different situation than
> the 50+ members and open doors of HeatSync.
> On Nov 23, 2011 6:19 AM, "Ron Bean" <makerspace at rbean.users.panix.com>
> wrote:
>> Will Bradley <will at heatsynclabs.org> writes:
>> >One last perk is that only a real bastard would slight a 501c3
>> >educational nonprofit; various people have threatened to sue us and
>> >the whole community just stares at them like they're insane.
>> What kinds of issues have you had that would lead people to threaten a
>> lawsuit?
>> BTW MilwaukeeMakerspace does not own any assets, all of our equipment is
>> leased from members for $1/year. A lawsuit might put us out of business,
>> but the plaintif wouldn't get anything out of it.
>> Part of what has kept us from pursuing 501c3 status is the requirement
>> to maintain an educational program. We do a bit of that here and there,
>> but a full program would take too much time and effort away from our own
>> projects.
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