[hackerspaces] Do your spaces have a theft problem? How do you deal with it?

webmind webmind at puscii.nl
Thu Jul 28 16:12:42 CEST 2011

Hate to start a discussion on squatting on this list as it's OT, but one
short reply:

This accounts for the Netherlands, I have little experience with squats
in other places and am not too familiar with the legal situations there.
A squat is effectively only different from another place in the sense
that the owner didn't give permission for you to live there. Besides
that, you still have your basic rights regarding the use of a space. So
nobody is allowed to enter without the inhabitants permission. The only
people not always obeying this is the police and that's 9 out of 10
times -after- a court-case with the owner. In other cases they usually
use excuses like illegal parties or fire-safety. Ok, and burglars
sometimes try to get in. In that sense, there is a higher sense of
security, since squatters actively take measures to keep the police out,
which happens to help to keep to burglars out as well.

As far the squatters themselves are concerned, they're normal people.
Perhaps with a higher percentage of being anarchist, anti-capitalist and
in those cases there is usually a higher respect for each other than

The only things against it I can think of is that -certain- places tend
to be more open/trusting regarding who comes in and out, but that's not
a property of specificly squats or squatters, just certain people.

ASCII had in all it's years residing in squats only 1 burglary/theft,
PUSCII in even more years as a squat, none.


On 2011-07-27 21:45, Don Ankney wrote:
> Of course other places get robbed. But should a squat have a realistic
> expectation of exclusivity in the use of a space and its contents?
> On 7/26/2011 10:42 PM, webmind wrote:
>> On 2011-07-27 06:59, Donald J Ankney wrote:
>>> Perhaps another lesson learned is that squats are not a safe/secure
>>> place to store gear/toys.
>> Because non-squats never get robbed...
>> Sorry but that's a load of bullshit. If anything, people in squats tent
>> to be more security aware not less.
>> w.
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