[hackerspaces] will the fruits of our labors be used for good or for evil?

[Willow Brugh]

Also: I booked that as an individual (not repping the orgs I work with) and
held it in a non-hackerspace.

Jigsaw is not going for any funding from this program.
Here<https://groups.google.com/a/jigsawrenaissance.org/group/davinci/browse_thread/thread/fd5dd14ec870b680#>is
the incredibly lively debate around it, ethics, rights, open source,
making rent, etc.

I'm finding all of this conversation fascinating. Interesting times to live
in.

w



On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 22:12, dosman <dosman at packetsniffers.org> wrote:

> Our space was informally approached to do defensive and offensive projects
> for a branch of the US armed forces (completely independent of the DARPA
> grants). There are two things which became immediately obvious about the
> proposition. First, while interesting, the project would have consumed all
> the time several of us had for "fun hacking". We already have decent jobs
> and having a 2nd job doing defense work is not what our space is about.
> Second, we had multiple members who would have instantly left the group if
> we had accepted the proposal. It wasn't worth loosing any members over, we
> chose not to participate. There are other issues to be weighed in there too.
>
> Beyond the DARPA grants, there are also a myriad of security and defense
> companies running around looking to acquire talent from the hacker
> community. Be aware that when you get a security clearance you sign away
> various amounts of your rights. It's up to each person to decide if it's
> worth the price, for some it's probably ok. I once signed away my rights to
> everything I created on my own free time to a former employer. One of the
> coolest security related projects I did on my own time during that period
> (which I specifically asked for permission to publish) is now buried by
> NDA. It was a good job but I'd only ever sign such an NDA again if I was
> joining the Star Gate program ;-).
>
> That's my 2 cents.
>
> -dosman
>
> On Dec 4, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Willow Brugh wrote:
>
> > I set up the Town Hall in Seattle because I believe in mudge and I
> believe this is an incredibly nuanced area. I wanted to offer people one
> more option, and trust them to act in ways which align with their values
> and concerns. Nothing like getting into the complicated world of
> humanitarian and disaster response to teach you about multipurpose and
> nuance in these sorts of things.
> >
> > Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.
> >
> > I can go into more detail upon request when I have someone to transcribe
> for me. I suck at these one-handed keboards still.
> >
> > please excuse typos and delays. i seem to have broken my arm.
> > Willow Brugh // willowbl00
> >
> > School Factory : GWOB ; Space Federation
> > Schedule a meeting with me
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 22:16, Jacob Rosenthal <
> jjrosent at heatsynclabs.org> wrote:
> > Willow (and separately Space Fed?) seem to be pimping it as well
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Al Jigen Billings <
> albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> > On 11/29/11 10:10 PM, Justis Peters wrote:
> > On 11/30/2011 12:44 AM, Al Jigen Billings wrote:
> > I'm also on the e-mail lists for a number of other hackerspaces and this
> is a debate, on small scale, that many of them are having on their own. The
> DoD money is being discussed quite a bit. So far, I think everyone has made
> pretty much the same observations that I've made here and decided it was
> money best left on the table. Maybe you and your space feel different but I
> know of no one who has actually applied for the DoD money.
> > This finally makes more sense. Prior to this comment, I did not
> understand where you got the idea that any hackerspace was considering
> taking money from the DoD. Nobody on this list had suggested it.
> >
> > Our space has not been approached by the DoD or DARPA and I doubt that
> we would take money from them. All our funding thus far has been from
> individuals donations and membership dues. We enjoy the autonomy that is
> afforded to us by that model.
> >
> >  As far as I know, no one has been approached personally. That said, the
> DoD has put it out there. It has been blogged and tweeted about (I recall
> something in one of the Wired blogs, something on Adafruit's blog, and
> similar) so people are aware of it and discussing it.
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
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