[hackerspaces] [Eviction] Call for Support for les Hauts Lieux

[Georges Kesseler]

Here in europe we have cool signs which say something like

"entry forbidde. Parents are liable for their children"

I interpret it as follows
So that would mean the kid braking his arm, the property owner could sue
the parents for lack of supervision and to restore the property from bmx
track into a void grassland.
For the welding, well the people causing the injury would be liable.
IANAL of course

Georges


Matt Joyce wrote:
> I am curious, I know I've been critical of the "squatting" approach
> before in the past, and still am.  But this is an honest question,
> just curious.  At least in the states, when an owner has property that
> they aren't actively maintaining they can be liable for injuries that
> occur on the property. 
>
> Example:
>
>    Joey Twotones grand pappi Jimmy Twotones dad leaves him a family
> summer house in a coastal town when he dies.  Joey discovers the house
> is unsalvageable and has it demolished.  He decides to sell the land
> but the market isn't where he wants it to be yet so he fences the
> property up and waits for the market to change. 
>
>   Two years goes by.  Joey gets a call...  Apparently six months or so
> ago neighborhood kids unbeknownst to him had pried up some fencing and
> had transformed his vacant lot into a bmx dirt bike track.  One of the
> neighborhood kids broke their arm while racing around on it.  Now the
> parents are suing him for having an unsafe bike track that their child
> hurt themselves on.
>
> End Example.
>
> So say you house a workshop in someone else's squatted property.  Some
> dude comes in and say accidently starts a fire while welding, or welds
> something he should not have and a noxious gas is released... or
> something like that.  People are injured.  Can they sue the land owner
> for not meeting building codes or meeting safety codes relevant to the
> activities of the squatting hackspace they are ignorant of?
>
> I know europeans tend not to be the horrendous liability sue happy
> land that the US is, and I love em for it.  But it seems like there
> would be situations in which the land owner is responsible for the
> activities of others on their unwatched property.  Especially if third
> parties are harmed as a result.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Yves Quemener <quemener.yves at free.fr
> <mailto:quemener.yves at free.fr>> wrote:
>
>     John Duksta wrote:
>
>         If I read this right, it sounds like le localhost/Les Hauts
>         Lieux was squatting in the space. Is that correct or were
>         there arrangements/a lease in place?
>          
>
>     That is correct. The place was unoccupied by their owner who was
>     unaware of the squatting. The owner decided to make the police
>     evacuate the place shortly after learning about the occupation.
>
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