[hackerspaces] Abbenay hackspace building status
jaromil at dyne.org
Wed Dec 30 16:28:21 CET 2009
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hi Koen et al.
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:46:41AM +0000, Koen Martens wrote:
> This is in The Netherlands, where there is quite a strong culture of
> squating places. Even within the Dutch squatting scene, there's a
> lot of difference. Some do it with the ultimate goal to make the
> world better, others just to avoid paying rent, yet others because
> they think having empty buildings is a waste.
right. but not just in .nl eh. I can tell you for one there are plenty
of squats in Italy (esp. in large cities, often affected by bad
development choices that neglected social spaces), in Switzerland, in
Germany, in Spain and Greece and more, you name it. Even outside
Eu-rope there are squats in Turkey, Indonesia, Egypt and who knows
what... and there are squats also in USA for sure, altough i've never
visited all of them myself :)
NL has a peculiar story of public resistance of squatters in the 80s
that hasn't been drawned in its own blood: the state recognised the
function and need for squatting for the development of society, so far
that by now the stances left are facilitated and mostly folkloristic
... :^] and still have in custody a precious heritage for those who
want to learn from it. of course in other places this is all kept more
underground to protect it from witch-hunts.
there are fundamental differences about people's goals and community
goals in making squats, for instance in .nl i noticed there are many
poor people squatting for their own living space, while back in .it
(where there are even more poor people involved) most squats are
"social centers" and not private flats: places that are ospital for
nomads but mostly running public activities by and for cultural
minorities and weak strata of society.
while from a top view they can be seen as "cultural mediation" hubs,
from ground up they are seen as a right to develop in a different way
if compared to the dominating paradigm of capitalism, which has grown
to a stall from which is very hard to get out.
of course such a liminal activity is very vulnerable to attacks:
Italian social centers (and hacklabs) for instance are constantly
infiltrated by mafia (with drug smuggling) and by fascists (with
aggressions against minorities). I understand when someone running an
hackerspace tells me that he/she really doesn't wants to deal with
such problems and therefore keep it "closed to members" - somehow
easier than having thugs at the door all the time. openness has a
price, as we all know, even on the Internet eh; but also closing up
too much will present you the conto soon or later: that of a
stagnating and self referring community where nomadism isn't aloud
i think the first step for "the hackerspaces.org domain" would be to
acknowledge all different approaches in history, like the
hackmeeting.org (running since 12 years eh) and the hacklabs we talked
already about - still i remember that when the hackerspaces discourse
was gaining momentum on mass-media like Wired and on important
congresses like the CCC, people in this community excluded "us"
completely from that picture...
so there is still a lot to learn from different approaches aamong all
of us here, thanks for this relaxed mood, its' great to have a
discussion space free from trolling, censorship, prejudices and usual
let's work together to complete the hackers communities picture at
large - but no manifesto please, we really love the how-tos! ;)
 historically the social centers movements are
anti-prohibitionists, still people commonly decided in most
situations to ban systematically hard drugs like Heroine and
"professional" dealers making huge profits out of drug (ab)use.
symbolically in Forte Prenestino in Roma the day weed gets
harvested in october (festa del raccolto) there is a huge party
and the marijuana is given out for free... because is not our
business, is our culture!
 i really don't see it as "us" and "them", but firmly belive that
experiences made everyone sensible to different aspects of life
and development, that's why this dialogue is important.
jaromil, dyne.org developer, http://jaromil.dyne.org
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