<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>So was it by violent force from the wave of late settlers that disbanded the early sharing/mining communes?</div><div>Or was it by greed that people in the sharing/mining communes voluntarily flipped sides when their environment changed?</div><div><br></div><div>-= =-</div><div><br></div><div>As long as we all agree that membership dues are voluntary, month to month, and private ownership of tools or products are respected,</div><div>I'm willing to pay as per this proposal, with faith that things will sort itself out in the ensuing meetings.</div><div>I guess I'm proposing that we wait before setting anything in stone, when the problems become clearer. There is no stone.</div><div><br></div><div>Does anybody have the link to the Google spreadsheet on hand?</div><div><br></div><div> - Jae</div><br><div><div>On Nov 2, 2012, at 4:13 PM, "Eddan Katz" <<a href="mailto:eddan@eddan.com">eddan@eddan.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>As I had mentioned in the meeting on Wednesday, I've found the 1849ers contracts to go on gold mining expeditions in the early period when gold was just found are very instructive. In a unique situation where there was no law governing mining rights from 1848-1866 at the end of the Spanish-American War. </div><div><br></div><div>In the first year, when it was just bands of soldiers who deserted the military to go find gold and before a huge wave of settlers came by boat in the Spring of 1849, the sharing contract as opposed to the land allotment contract dominated. In other words, these contracts came before gold distribution was determined by what territory of land you staked a claim in. Rather than exclusive rights to the profits from land, as became the case after the spring of 1849, these were contracts for small groups of people designed for the cooperative work it took to mine for gold that wasn't just visible from the surface.</div><br><blockquote type="cite">We the undersigned, hereby agree to form ourselves into a party, to be denominated ___________"s Mining Company, and to adhere to the following rules and regulations:<div><br></div><div>1. That we shall each bear an equal share in all expenses incurred for the general advantage, such as the purchase of a yoke of oxen, a cart, horses, packs, etc.</div><div>2. That we all proceed together to the gold mines, and that no man be allowed to separate from the party without the general consent.</div><div>3. That in case of unavoidable separation, each person be allowed to take an amount of goods or money equivalent to the original investment, less what he may have consumed or injured.</div><div>4. That we work together in the mines, using the tools and property of the party in common.</div><div>5. That each man be allowed to retain all he can make by digging, but that he shall contribute to the company his equal portion of the funds necessary for the purchase of food and other things for the common use. </div><div>6. That in case of danger or difficulty, we stand by each other under all circumstances.</div><div>7. That no sick man shall be abandoned, but every possible means adopted to restore him to health.</div><div>8. That each man, in his turn, shall do his share of the general work, namely cooking, attending to the horses, chopping wood, fetching water, etc.</div><div>9. That any member separating himself from the party without the general consent shall forfeit all that he had invested ...</div><div>10. That any man proved guilty of stealing from ... any member of his company shall be immediately expelled, and forfeit the whole of his property. </div></blockquote><div><br>
In contrast, the kind of signage people put on their wooden stakes after land allotment contracts were dominate depended much more so on the use of violence to protect a person's rights. Before there was a sheriff, the only law that ruled appealed was the threat to use the six-shooter that every man had, clearly visible on their belt, as a means of conveying the information to intruders about the consequences of theft. Here's one example:<br><div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">".... any person found trespassing on this claim will be persecuted to the full extent of the law. This is no money tale butt I will assert my rites at the pint of the sicks shirter if legally necessary to taik head and good warning."</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I think we should do something more along the lines of the sharing contract above.</div><div><br></div><div>-Eddan</div><div><br></div><div>On Nov 2, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Matthew Senate <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">As I understood it, we didn't come to consensus. To me, I'm in favor of doing less private space, especially in the single room model. However, I am also sensitive to this being a huge opportunity, and without it a deal-breaker to some folks.<br>
<br>So, I'd be interested personally in doing a trial-run if it is a deal-breaker for some folks. Of course, this also brings in a big chunk of stable income.<br><br>Alternatively, we could do an "open desk" system with open sign-up and only one requirement: you provide a weekly update of your project so we know it's not stale. If it's stale, we try to open the desk up!<br>
<br>What do you think?<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:36 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hol@gaskill.com" target="_blank">hol@gaskill.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Folks,<br><br>I'm all on board with the one room proposal, and will be stopping by for murmur tonight. Actually I'm about to stop by to try to get that tower online so we'll have a dedicated sudoterminal. What was the consensus on personal workspace from Wednesday?<br>
<br>Happy Friday,<br>Hol<br><br><p>On Nov 1, 2012, <strong>Matthew Senate</strong> <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com" target="_blank">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #267fdb;margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 1.8ex;padding-left:1ex">FYI for parking, the sudo room secret is on the south side of the First Baptist Church-Oakland: <a href="https://maps.google.com/maps?q=first+baptist+church-oakland,+oakland,+ca&hl=en&ll=37.811598,-122.269689&spn=0.004874,0.010568&sll=37.81117,-122.269855&sspn=0.002437,0.005284&hq=first+baptist+church-oakland,&hnear=Oakland,+Alameda,+California&t=m&z=17&iwloc=A" target="_blank">https://maps.google.com/maps?q=first+baptist+church-oakland,+oakland,+ca&hl=en&ll=37.811598,-122.269689&spn=0.004874,0.010568&sll=37.81117,-122.269855&sspn=0.002437,0.005284&hq=first+baptist+church-oakland,&hnear=Oakland,+Alameda,+California&t=m&z=17&iwloc=A</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ryan Bethencourt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ryan.bethencourt@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryan.bethencourt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>I support the one room proposal too just to help us solidify getting a space! Sorry I didn't make it yesterday, I drove over and then couldn't find any easy parking (downtown was packed, probably some event?). I'll be back next week :)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Jehan Tremback <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jehan.tremback@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.tremback@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Totally. Thanks so much Eddan. I think that having the space will make it easier to raise the funds to pay him back.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 31, 2012 10:01 PM, "rusty lindgren" <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex">Yea, I'm on board too... Hopefully my point wasn't a negative, just a "Hey we only have 3k, and it costs 3k" kind of thing. We will need to pay Eddan though, and that is really important that we all consider he has given us a lot.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Jehan Tremback <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jehan.tremback@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.tremback@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I second using the 3000 on hand to secure the upstairs space I think having an actual space will make it much easier to solidify things and raise money from the membership. A further state of limbo will not do us any good.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 31, 2012 9:38 PM, "rusty lindgren" <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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The move in cost is 3k, and we only have 3k now, plus whatever else gets put up in the next couple of weeks in the way of dues.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Evan Martin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:teleomorph@gmail.com" target="_blank">teleomorph@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Jae Kwon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jkwon.work@gmail.com" target="_blank">jkwon.work@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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<div>I propose that we figure out how to get the art space ($1500), as per Hol's suggestion, but not getting the fishbowl ($450) nor the orange closet ($150), and using the excess money to pay back debt. <br></div>
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