<p>Hey all,</p>
<p>I am totally committed for this, sorry for the delay! I have a domestic sewing machine & some clothes I can bring, and some conductive fabric etc, and can promote the event to my lists. I might have to work till 6 that day, our schedule isn't set yet.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 12, 2012 3:33 PM, "Tracy Jacobs" <<a href="mailto:kinetical@comcast.net">kinetical@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Rachel,<br>
<br>
Are you still up for doing a clothing Hack-a-thon at the next Art Murmur? I've been looking into getting some conductive thread and batteries to put some light on things but it looks like it will cost about $50 . It would be great if we could get people to share this expense as they will be given away to people at the show. Anyone care to donate/participate?<br>
<br>
Tracy<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jul 1, 2012, at 10:17 PM, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In my understanding, we have not yet defined how the council is formed??<br>
Maybe this is like a jury or something in the sense that it's an ad hoc<br>
working group, pulled from the general body of participants, as a way of<br>
keeping the whole group from having to spend its time doing every single<br>
step of the proposal writing process. Although if someone has an issue,<br>
or wants to bring a proposal, there should be a way in our process for<br>
them to be the ones creating the forward motion.<br>
<br>
R.<br>
<br>
On 7/1/2012 9:04 PM, Jehan Tremback wrote:<br>
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So from my understanding, the "council" is there to provide a sense of<br>
responsibility and a "buck stopping" function? Same reason for the<br>
executive branch in many democracies?<br>
<br>
It strikes me that the council wields a form of absolute control over<br>
the formalized decisionmaking process. If the council does not bring a<br>
proposal forward, it is not voted or consensed on. The council has<br>
absolute veto power in effect. Is this something we want? Or am I<br>
misunderstanding something?<br>
<br>
-jehan<br>
<br>
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:49 PM, rachel lyra hospodar<br>
<<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Hey friends,<br>
<br>
This is all super exciting! I am sorry I had to miss last meeting, it<br>
sounds like some awesome stuff happened. I have spent some time reading<br>
notes and checking out what is on the wiki, and I have taken the liberty<br>
of making some edits. Just trying to put some info together and tease<br>
out some next steps, but I am open to feedback rejection etc on my<br>
changes.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/<u></u>Sudo_room/Governance_Structure</a><br>
<br>
I'm going to keep playing around for a little bit. I am grateful to the<br>
group for the opportunity to facilitate the meeting last time. It's<br>
interesting how different it is with every group. I am still learning a<br>
lot about how to do this kind of thing and it is great to be able to<br>
practice. Overall I felt like the style of facilitation I am used to<br>
was too formal for the Sudoroom and am curious to see what evolves for<br>
this group.<br>
<br>
Also the event I was working on First Friday has been postponed so I am<br>
hoping to participate that evening!<br>
<br>
<3<br>
R.<br>
<br>
On 6/29/2012 10:49 AM, Eddan Katz wrote:<br>
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Thank you again Victoria for starting us off with this succinct text.<br>
<br>
As I had mentioned in our smaller group in the Sudo Grotto, I think it<br>
would be useful to set time periods for types of editing and<br>
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commenting<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
to maintain focus and momentum. This can also be useful in preventing<br>
the misuse of the discussion period as a method of consensus<br>
</blockquote>
blocking. I<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
had suggested three stages -<br>
<br>
(1) overall & big picture comments;<br>
(2) paragraph and/or issue level comments; and<br>
(3) word choice and meme level comments<br>
<br>
The time periods for each should be flexible, as reflected in the<br>
friendly amendment in the minutes, but most significantly - big<br>
</blockquote>
picture<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
comments should be reserved for the beginning of the discussion, imho,<br>
and precluded from diverting consensus at the last minute. This<br>
differentiation of stages of drafting can also be made to signal to<br>
people with casual interest, but not detail level participation in the<br>
discussion, to what stage the discussion has progressed. In the<br>
Trans-Atlantic Consumer Dialogue (<a href="http://www.tacd.org" target="_blank">http://www.tacd.org</a>) - the working<br>
groups flagged these stages (i.e., brown draft, red draft, blue draft)<br>
<br>
<br>
Big Picture Comments:<br>
<br>
So in terms of overall comments, it seems to me worthwhile to<br>
</blockquote>
focus some<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
of our deliberation on Note A below:<br>
[The "Council" could be comprised of elected representatives (or<br>
volunteers, or super-volunteers). TBD.]<br>
<br>
1. From my perspective, /who/ makes the decision can be more<br>
</blockquote>
significant<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
than /how/ the decision is made. Some initial questions that come to<br>
mind --<br>
<br>
Who makes up this Council? And why them and not others? Are those not<br>
participating doing so because of disinterest and/or exclusion? Does<br>
this group of people constitute a representation of the whole body,<br>
however that is determined?<br>
<br>
2. It is worth considering whether or not there should be checks and<br>
balances between the Council and the whole body in terms of<br>
decision-making. Perhaps the people on the Council developing an<br>
</blockquote>
idea or<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
proposal should be separated to some extent from the decision process,<br>
in order to avoid undue influence?<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Victoria Bogdan wrote:<br>
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Hi Sudos,<br>
<br>
As we all know, the time is nigh to develop a way to make decisions.<br>
And decide we must on these important first steps! :) Afterall, we<br>
still need to figure out *membership, governance*, *bylaws, *and many<br>
more things.<br>
<br>
After our consensus talks over the past few weeks I figured, what the<br>
heck, let me put a *draft *set of guidelines out there so that the<br>
group has something to respond to. Maybe we can debate this and hack<br>
it out on Wednesday?<br>
<br>
And please note: there is a burdgeoning discussion on the Sudo Wiki<br>
about how other hackerspaces run their business here<br>
<<a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/research" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/<u></u>Sudo_room/research</a>>.<br>
<br>
Ok, so how's this for a starting simple draft....<br>
Based on "Consensus Decision Making w/ Consensus Blocking<br>
<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
<<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making#Consensus_decision-making_with_consensus_blocking" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<u></u>Consensus_decision-making#<u></u>Consensus_decision-making_<u></u>with_consensus_blocking</a>>"<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
, the short of it would be:<br>
<br>
*Premise:* A decision needs to be made.<br>
*Step 1:* Discuss at large in the group (with a time limit, and/or<br>
feedback can be gathered online instead of taking in-person<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
meeting time)<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
*Step 2:* A Council takes this "raw material" and generates a<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
proposal<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
*Step 3:* The Council puts the proposal to the group for amendments &<br>
voting. We can do majority vote or total consensus. If the vote is a<br>
"no", the Council goes back and drafts another proposal.<br>
*End Result:* A decision is made<br>
<br>
*Note A: *The "Council" could be comprised of elected representatives<br>
(or volunteers, or super-volunteers). TBD.<br>
*Note B: *I'm seeing that the tool of "blocking" can be used in<br>
consensus voting, but some groups think of it more as a nuclear<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
option<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
(hence the opportunity to offer amendments and give feedback).<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
This is<br>
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something else for us to figure out.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<<a href="http://victoriabogdan.com" target="_blank">http://victoriabogdan.com</a>><br>
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