<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm sorry if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I was actually a supporter of postponing the decision to use existing funds until we have a better sense of how we work and what we're about. I'm very glad to hear people think we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move forward. </div><div><br></div><div>Given our current status as an unincorporated association of people, a proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the most sense. To clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to expand our base of people who are connected and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am hoping that this would be incentive to get more people on board. It was not meant to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can demonstrate how small that amount can be. </div><div><br></div><div>For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it will be less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email subscribers to the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes on Facebook), we would each pay $4.</div><div><br></div><div>There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily using a membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves the opportunity to try them out - at least in the interim.</div><div><br><br>sent from +1(415) 728-5800</div><div><br>On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Eddan,<br><br>I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out before July, I am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we could get art murmur donations easily too.<br><br>Tracy,<br><br>I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to contribute regular dues, and to take donations from people who use and appreciate sudo resources infrequently.<br><br>However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means. To me they should carry reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to the duepayer. This of course must cherish a commitment to access and participation not contingent on funds. I believe that is hat underlies this whole governance discussion.<br><br>I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with more resources! <br><br>Join me <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure</a><br><br>- Matt<br><br>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Tracy Jacobs" <<a href="mailto:kinetical@comcast.net">kinetical@comcast.net</a>><br>Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm<br>Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?<br>To: "Eddan Katz" <<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>><br>Cc: <<a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>><br><br><br>Sorry Eddan,<br><br>I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or by <br>paypal if you prefer. I don't understand the politics here or why we <br>are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.<br><br>Tracy<br><br>Tracy<br>On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:<br><br>> At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided not to <br>> make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be <br>> used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale being <br>> that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to <br>> make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated <br>> any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then <br>> there is the matter of July rent.<br>><br>> I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room <br>> officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at <br>> this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange <br>> Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to <br>> our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be <br>> filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good <br>> Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already <br>> gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his willingness to <br>> give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear <br>> about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any time, <br>> you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and online <br>> payment providers, if that makes it any easier.<br>><br>> But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I wanted to <br>> continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people would <br>> be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent <br>> for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me <br>> and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I will <br>> ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the <br>> number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the higher <br>> the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution <br>> amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too steep for <br>> any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an <br>> opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount.<br>><br>> This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor <br>> does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a free t- <br>> shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running <br>> list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135 <br>> Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to <br>> solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this <br>> group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo <br>> pages to voice your concerns.<br>><br>> -Eddan<br>> [self-appointed exchequer]<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> sudoroom mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>sudoroom mailing list<br><a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></div></blockquote></body></html>