So from my understanding, the "council" is there to provide a sense of responsibility and a "buck stopping" function? Same reason for the executive branch in many democracies?<div><br></div><div>It strikes me that the council wields a form of absolute control over the formalized decisionmaking process. If the council does not bring a proposal forward, it is not voted or consensed on. The council has absolute veto power in effect. Is this something we want? Or am I misunderstanding something?</div>
<div><br></div><div>-jehan <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:49 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey friends,<br>
<br>
This is all super exciting! I am sorry I had to miss last meeting, it<br>
sounds like some awesome stuff happened. I have spent some time reading<br>
notes and checking out what is on the wiki, and I have taken the liberty<br>
of making some edits. Just trying to put some info together and tease<br>
out some next steps, but I am open to feedback rejection etc on my changes.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure</a><br>
<br>
I'm going to keep playing around for a little bit. I am grateful to the<br>
group for the opportunity to facilitate the meeting last time. It's<br>
interesting how different it is with every group. I am still learning a<br>
lot about how to do this kind of thing and it is great to be able to<br>
practice. Overall I felt like the style of facilitation I am used to<br>
was too formal for the Sudoroom and am curious to see what evolves for<br>
this group.<br>
<br>
Also the event I was working on First Friday has been postponed so I am<br>
hoping to participate that evening!<br>
<br>
<3<br>
R.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On 6/29/2012 10:49 AM, Eddan Katz wrote:<br>
> Thank you again Victoria for starting us off with this succinct text.<br>
><br>
> As I had mentioned in our smaller group in the Sudo Grotto, I think it<br>
> would be useful to set time periods for types of editing and commenting<br>
> to maintain focus and momentum. This can also be useful in preventing<br>
> the misuse of the discussion period as a method of consensus blocking. I<br>
> had suggested three stages -<br>
><br>
> (1) overall & big picture comments;<br>
> (2) paragraph and/or issue level comments; and<br>
> (3) word choice and meme level comments<br>
><br>
> The time periods for each should be flexible, as reflected in the<br>
> friendly amendment in the minutes, but most significantly - big picture<br>
> comments should be reserved for the beginning of the discussion, imho,<br>
> and precluded from diverting consensus at the last minute. This<br>
> differentiation of stages of drafting can also be made to signal to<br>
> people with casual interest, but not detail level participation in the<br>
> discussion, to what stage the discussion has progressed. In the<br>
> Trans-Atlantic Consumer Dialogue (<a href="http://www.tacd.org" target="_blank">http://www.tacd.org</a>) - the working<br>
> groups flagged these stages (i.e., brown draft, red draft, blue draft)<br>
><br>
><br>
> Big Picture Comments:<br>
><br>
> So in terms of overall comments, it seems to me worthwhile to focus some<br>
> of our deliberation on Note A below:<br>
> [The "Council" could be comprised of elected representatives (or<br>
> volunteers, or super-volunteers). TBD.]<br>
><br>
</div>> 1. From my perspective, /who/ makes the decision can be more significant<br>
> than /how/ the decision is made. Some initial questions that come to<br>
<div class="im">> mind --<br>
><br>
> Who makes up this Council? And why them and not others? Are those not<br>
> participating doing so because of disinterest and/or exclusion? Does<br>
> this group of people constitute a representation of the whole body,<br>
> however that is determined?<br>
><br>
> 2. It is worth considering whether or not there should be checks and<br>
> balances between the Council and the whole body in terms of<br>
> decision-making. Perhaps the people on the Council developing an idea or<br>
> proposal should be separated to some extent from the decision process,<br>
> in order to avoid undue influence?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Victoria Bogdan wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi Sudos,<br>
>><br>
>> As we all know, the time is nigh to develop a way to make decisions.<br>
>> And decide we must on these important first steps! :) Afterall, we<br>
</div>>> still need to figure out *membership, governance*, *bylaws, *and many<br>
<div class="im">>> more things.<br>
>><br>
>> After our consensus talks over the past few weeks I figured, what the<br>
</div>>> heck, let me put a *draft *set of guidelines out there so that the<br>
<div class="im">>> group has something to respond to. Maybe we can debate this and hack<br>
>> it out on Wednesday?<br>
>><br>
>> And please note: there is a burdgeoning discussion on the Sudo Wiki<br>
>> about how other hackerspaces run their business here<br>
</div>>> <<a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/research" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/research</a>>.<br>
<div class="im">>><br>
>> Ok, so how's this for a starting simple draft....<br>
>> Based on "Consensus Decision Making w/ Consensus Blocking<br>
</div>>> <<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making#Consensus_decision-making_with_consensus_blocking" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making#Consensus_decision-making_with_consensus_blocking</a>>"<br>
<div class="im">>> , the short of it would be:<br>
>><br>
</div>>> *Premise:* A decision needs to be made.<br>
>> *Step 1:* Discuss at large in the group (with a time limit, and/or<br>
<div class="im">>> feedback can be gathered online instead of taking in-person meeting time)<br>
</div>>> *Step 2:* A Council takes this "raw material" and generates a proposal<br>
>> *Step 3:* The Council puts the proposal to the group for amendments &<br>
<div class="im">>> voting. We can do majority vote or total consensus. If the vote is a<br>
>> "no", the Council goes back and drafts another proposal.<br>
</div>>> *End Result:* A decision is made<br>
>><br>
>> *Note A: *The "Council" could be comprised of elected representatives<br>
<div class="im">>> (or volunteers, or super-volunteers). TBD.<br>
</div>>> *Note B: *I'm seeing that the tool of "blocking" can be used in<br>
<div class="im">>> consensus voting, but some groups think of it more as a nuclear option<br>
>> (hence the opportunity to offer amendments and give feedback). This is<br>
>> something else for us to figure out.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
</div>>> <<a href="http://victoriabogdan.com" target="_blank">http://victoriabogdan.com</a>><br>
>><br>
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