<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>+1.<br><br>sent from +1(415) 728-5800</div><div><br>On Jun 13, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Matthew Senate <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Victoria,<br><br>I'll be at Techliminal, not to disrupt or snub the new space at all!<br><br>Eddan,<br><br>The noise is out of control, we need to reserve the room if we're going to speak and hear each other at the broadway space.<br>
<br>As for the meditation center:<br><br>Woah, I don't think it will be helpful to inundate EBMC with a bunch of
different voices at once while they're trying to work something out with
the property owner.<br>
<br>
It also doesn't help that most of us are not even tennants as of yet. <br>
<br>
I'm in favor of taking a minute's breath, accepting Anca's offer for
this evening, and committing together to sort out an accessible meeting
place for next week, in which case we can send one person (doesn't matter
who) to speak with EBMC with clarity and understanding. Hell, we could
even do that tonight.<br>
<br>
It seems to me we should take appropriate approaches for particular scenarios in order to maintain most respect for others' time!<br>
<br>
// Matt<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Victoria Bogdan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bogdan.victoria@gmail.com" target="_blank">bogdan.victoria@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Sorry-- clarification needed. Are we gathering at Tech Liminal or the new space on Broadway? <br><br>Thanks!<br><br>V. <br><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Eddan Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial">
I am sending them an email and calling at their number listed on the website.</p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial">
<br></p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial">
I am not optimistic that I'll hear back in the next half hour before our meeting. I'll let everyone know of I hear back. In the meantime, people could also leave phone & email messages.</p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial">
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East Bay Meditation Center<br>2147 Broadway<br>Oakland, CA 94612-2309<br><a href="tel:510-268-0696" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank">510-268-0696</a></p><div><br></div><div>Email form at:</div><div><a href="http://eastbaymeditation.org/index.php?s=50" target="_blank">http://eastbaymeditation.org/index.php?s=50</a><br>
<br>sent from <a href="tel:%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800" value="+14157285800" target="_blank">+1(415) 728-5800</a></div><div><div><div><br>On Jun 13, 2012, at 5:54 PM, "Philip W" <<a href="mailto:dude8604@gmail.com" target="_blank">dude8604@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Can we talk to them directly? Their
dispute is with the building owner, so maybe they’d be more receptive to
us. Maybe they’d be okay with it if they knew why we need it and that
it won’t be very often that anyone would use it, at least at this point.</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Eddan Katz
[mailto:<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 13, 2012
5:49 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Philip W<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
<<a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [sudoroom] Meeting
tonight 7pm @ Tech Liminal!</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">It turns out the access
to the elevator to the second floor is temporarily very complicated. The
meditation center is apparently in dispute with the building owner over the
noise pollution they anticipate from the opening of a non-profit jazz club
& arts center downstairs.<br>
<br>
sent from <a href="tel:%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800" value="+14157285800" target="_blank">+1(415) 728-5800</a></span></font></p>
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On Jun 13, 2012, at 5:11 PM, "Philip W" <<a href="mailto:dude8604@gmail.com" target="_blank">dude8604@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Could the meeting be in
the upstairs room in the new space, if we could get access to the
elevator? Any other location ideas?</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> <a href="mailto:sudoroom-bounces+dude8604=gmail.com@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom-bounces+dude8604=gmail.com@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:sudoroom-bounces%2Bdude8604" target="_blank">sudoroom-bounces+dude8604</a>=<a href="mailto:gmail.com@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">gmail.com@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Michael Scroggins<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 13, 2012
4:53 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [sudoroom] Meeting
tonight 7pm @ Tech Liminal!</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I think the planning/governance meetings should be catholic - and
accessible to anyone who may want to attend. I feel this is particularly
important at this time when there are so many important decisions to be made. <br>
<br>
<br>
Michael </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">Eddan Katz</a><br>
</span></font><font color="#888888"><span style="color:#888888">Wednesday,
June 13, 2012 4:13 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><font color="#888888" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#888888">There is a
common area near the "Orange Closet" that is used by groups in the
building. It doesn't look like it's used much. Probably could only accommodate
10-12 people max without getting unruly. The other consideration is that the
bottom floor, as I had described it last week at the meeting, is a panauracon.
That is, you can hear everything everyone else is saying and/or it feels like
everyone else can hear you.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><font color="#888888" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#888888">Maybe we
could split into two troops tonight. The 2315 Broadway space could be where our
activity doesn't revolve around talking and would only be about 15 people max.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><font color="#888888" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#888888">The
advantage of the upstairs room at Tech Liminal is that you can't hear what
anyone else downstairs is saying and/or that people downstairs can't hear them.
How many people can comfortably fit in the upstairs room?</span></font></p>
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sent from <a href="tel:%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800" value="+14157285800" target="_blank">+1(415) 728-5800</a></span></font></p>
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On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:32 PM, "Philip W" <<a href="mailto:dude8604@gmail.com" target="_blank">dude8604@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Does
anyone know if there’s an elevator to the upstairs area? I
don’t think so but I don’t know for sure. If not, could we
meet somewhere else? Maybe one of the other common areas in the new
space?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">- Phil</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> <a href="mailto:sudoroom-bounces+dude8604=gmail.com@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom-bounces+dude8604=gmail.com@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:sudoroom-bounces+dude8604=" target="_blank">mailto:sudoroom-bounces+dude8604=</a><a href="mailto:gmail.com@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">gmail.com@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>jenny ryan<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 13, 2012
3:21 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [sudoroom] Meeting
tonight 7pm @ Tech Liminal!</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span>Hello Sudoers!</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span>Since the classroom at the new space is booked
this evening for improv auditions, the always-awesome Anca has agreed to host
our weekly meeting in the upstairs space at Tech Liminal. Wfz</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
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Roman" size="3"><span> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span>We need to discuss the new space as well as user
donations. Look forward to seeing you all tonight!</span></font></p>
</div>
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Roman" size="3"><span> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span>Cheers,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span>Jenny</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a href="mailto:dude8604@gmail.com" target="_blank">Philip W</a><br>
</span></font><font color="#888888"><span style="color:#888888">Wednesday, June
13, 2012 3:32 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Does
anyone know if there’s an elevator to the upstairs area? I
don’t think so but I don’t know for sure. If not, could we
meet somewhere else? Maybe one of the other common areas in the new
space?</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">- Phil</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> <a href="mailto:sudoroom-bounces+dude8604=gmail.com@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom-bounces+dude8604=gmail.com@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>jenny ryan<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 13, 2012
3:21 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [sudoroom] Meeting
tonight 7pm @ Tech Liminal!</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span>Hello Sudoers!</span></font></p>
<div>
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Roman" size="3"><span> </span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span>Since the classroom at the new space is booked
this evening for improv auditions, the always-awesome Anca has agreed to host
our weekly meeting in the upstairs space at Tech Liminal. Wfz</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span>We need to discuss the new space as well as user
donations. Look forward to seeing you all tonight!</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span>Cheers,</span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><font color="black" face="Times New
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