michael and i actually were wondering what the situation was with that building as we checked out 2135 broadway today. it's seemed empty for at least a couple years (i've never seen anything but the current posters there). the kapor center site says that they plan to move in in 2013...<div>
<br></div><div>also, while we're on the topic of neighbors of 2135, to the right of 2135 is a psychic. to the right of the psychic (with the tile mosaic entryway) is the separate entrance to the upstairs part of 2135 (this is the entrance for the upstairs double office - option #3 in matt's original email). to the right of that is a currently empty spot that will have a new organization moving in starting in june: the sound room (bay area jazz and arts) <a href="http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/">http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/</a>. the sound room is also somehow partnered with the space directly to the left of 2135 - 2131 broadway (the papered-up space all the way on the left in this streetview: <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24">https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24</a>). 2131 had an art show yesterday as part of art murmur. this is listed as a sound room event on the sound room site: "Art show featuring  Faultline ArtSpace will be held at 2131 Broadway - in the same building as our space but on the adjacent corner." however, by today everything at 2131 was packed up and empty, so it's not clear what the situation is with 2131.</div>
<div><br></div><div>either way, it looks like the spot will have interesting neighbors moving in soon, and potentially folks we would want to get in touch with (at the very least because of the surprising resonances between our organizations' names: sudo room/sound room)</div>
<div><br></div><div>- marina</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Eddan Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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    It turns out the neighbors directly across the street from 2135
    Broadway will be the future home of the Kapor Center
    (<a href="http://www.kaporcenter.org/" target="_blank">http://www.kaporcenter.org/</a>).  Or they may already have some
    offices set up in there? I haven't seen anyone come in or out when
    I've passed by. Does anyone know anything about that? <br><div><div class="h5">
    <br>
    <br>
    On 6/2/12 9:03 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <p>Well we are the hackers. We will be the ones using it. The most
        important part is that wherever we go, we hack in there. Aq</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 2, 2012 8:53 AM, "Eddan Katz" <<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>>
        wrote:<br type="attribution">
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            <div>Regarding Tech Liminal, it was my understanding that we
              still wanted to have meetings there and that this is a
              temporary (6-month) initiative to formulate aspects of
              SudoRoom's identity not as easily developed from those
              meetings at Tech Liminal.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Also, I think it worthwhile mentioning that the curb in
              front of the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading and
              unloading - this may be useful for setting up a way to
              receive donations of hardware in a spot easily accessible
              to the public.</div>
            <div><br>
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              On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Eddan Katz <<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div>
                <div>I think we should put a big sign on the window of
                  the office facing the street (bullet-proof, as the
                  manager mentioned) that says:</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>"Help us get a bigger: <a href="http://SudoRoom.org" target="_blank">SudoRoom.org</a>". </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>With the placement of the sign along people's walk
                  home from the BART to the lake - I can imagine getting
                  our money back, renting more practical space in that
                  building and then some, imho. The image of several
                  hackers seen through the window trying to fit into the
                  room will make the case demonstratively that we need a
                  bigger room.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>For those who have seen the place, I can think of
                  no better space that evokes the name - Sudo Room.</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>[constraints are the canvas of creativity]</div>
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                  On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <<a href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com" target="_blank">patrikd@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>On the other hand - what do we really gain by
                    renting a temporary 150 sq ft room, that we couldn't
                    get at TechLiminal for free? Place to leave stuff
                    lying around? Is 150 sq ft even big enough to fit us
                    all?<br>
                    <br>
                    As long as Anca is happy to host us (and I think
                    having the extra traffic is probably a good thing
                    for TechLiminal) I don't see a good reason to spend
                    our small amount of funds on a separate room that we
                    don't truly need and that would only be a temporary
                    fix anyway. I'd say let's spend some of that money
                    on Anca, and stay at Techliminal at least until we
                    find something more permanent..<br>
                    <br>
                    Also, as soon as we start paying rent on a monthly
                    basis, we need to get serious about monthly paying
                    memberships as well. But so far we haven't done much
                    to make people eager to pay for a membership. <br>
                    <br>
                    Besides, if this guy really has lots of spaces and
                    they come up for rent often, there really isn't any
                    need to jump on whatever he has available right now.
                    I'm sure he'll have some other spaces open next
                    month as well.<br>
                    <br>
                    Patrik<br>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:57
                      PM, Jenny Ryan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jenny@thepyre.org" target="_blank">jenny@thepyre.org</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                        Matt, and also Eddan & Timon - thanks for
                        moving on this! I think this could be a
                        fantastic initial space for Sudo Room..<br>
                        <br>
                        Location is great, though 150 square feet is
                        absurdly small. How big is the classroom we
                        could use?<br>
                        <br>
                        Overpriced for the size, imho, but the
                        visibility we could definitely work wrt outreach
                        for the group... though with the rest of the
                        building's amenities available to us, might be a
                        good bet. <br>
                        <br>
                        Would love to meet on Saturday, though would
                        have to be early afternoon for me to make it
                        (send-off party for our yurt builder &
                        current resident, Morten, in our garden on
                        Saturday starting around 4! email me if you'd
                        like to come :)<br>
                        <br clear="all">
                        Jenny<br>
                        <a href="http://jennyryan.net/" target="_blank">http://jennyryan.net</a><br>
                        <a href="http://thepyre.org/" target="_blank">http://thepyre.org</a><br>
                        <a href="http://thevirtualcampfire.org/" target="_blank">http://thevirtualcampfire.org</a><br>
                        <a href="http://technomadic.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://technomadic.tumblr.com</a><br>
                        <br>
                        `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`<br>
                        <div>
                          "Technology is the campfire around which we
                          tell our stories."<br>
                          -Laurie Anderson<br>
                          <br>
                          "Storytelling reveals meaning without
                          committing the error of defining it."<br>
                           -Hannah Arendt<br>
                          <br>
                          "To define is to kill. To suggest is to
                          create."<br>
                          -Stéphane Mallarmé<br>
                          ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`</div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                          <div>On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Eddie A
                            Tejeda <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddie.tejeda@gmail.com" target="_blank">eddie.tejeda@gmail.com</a>></span>
                            wrote:<br>
                          </div>
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                            <div>
                              Matt.. thanks for leading this. I think
                              this is a great opportunity. If I
                              understand this correctly, there are
                              multiple spaces available and we can start
                              with one and move into other ones as
                              needed? If that's the case I think it
                              makes perfect sense to start with the
                              smaller space and grow as needed.<br>
                              <br>
                              I also this it's a cool location. When do
                              you need to make the decision by?<br>
                              <br>
                              --<br>
                              Eddie A Tejeda<br>
                              <br>
                            </div>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                              <div>
                                <div>On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM,
                                  Matthew Senate <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com" target="_blank">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                </div>
                              </div>
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                                <div>
                                  <div>Howdy Folks,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    We've been in search of a space.
                                    There are lots of options, and
                                    bigger, brighter futures rest on the
                                    horizon.<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                On Weds, Eddan found this listing on
                                craigslist: <a href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html" target="_blank">http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html</a>
                                seen here: <a href="https://mapsgoogle.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24" target="_blank">https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24</a>
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                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  I gave George, the property manager, a
                                  call. I had seen some other offices in
                                  his space months before, he has lots
                                  of spaces and they come up for rent
                                  often. All month-to-month contracts,
                                  and a lease if we really want one He
                                  said he was available today at 3pm. I
                                  showed up and Eddan and Timon joined
                                  in.
                                  <div>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    We saw three offices. I have
                                    photographs stored on a proprietary
                                    memory device and will retrieve them
                                    ASAP upon apprehension of the proper
                                    cable.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    1. $500 / month 350 sq ft - The
                                    LISTED ROOM - has WiFi access, on
                                    the ground floor, outlets, lights.
                                    It is a good deal for the size, but
                                    it is not very close to the street.
                                    One must walk through a hallway,
                                    through a half-office, and down
                                    another hallway (all disability
                                    accessible) to get to it. This is
                                    not bad, just a bit removed from
                                    public view.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    2. $400 / month (no exact measure,
                                    but about 150 sq. ft). - The BOX
                                    OFFICE (calling it that for short).
                                    Has a window, is just a few feet
                                    inside public-facing  street-level
                                    doors in the same area as the LISTED
                                    ROOM. Also has WiFi Access. Sits
                                    directly outside a shared building
                                    "classroom" area available to all
                                    renters, just sign up ahead of time.
                                    If we rent the BOX OFFICE, we can
                                    occasionally use the LISTED ROOM
                                    while it's open<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>3. $350 / month (no exact
                                    measure, but no bigger than 400 sq
                                    ft) - The DOUBLE OFFICE is upstairs,
                                    at the very top of the entrance
                                    steps. It has access to an unused,
                                    common "reception" area that would
                                    be available for our usage. It has
                                    cable and wifi internet access. The
                                    DOUBLE OFFICE includes two offices
                                    that are connected, side-by-side.
                                    The rear door has<br>
                                    <br>
                                    All rooms have access to the
                                    "classroom" area on the ground
                                    floor, just need to sign up as
                                    described above. The building just
                                    got faster WIFI service provided by
                                    <a href="http://Sonic.net" target="_blank">Sonic.net</a>
                                    installed recently. George is
                                    interested in providing line-access
                                    to internet in all ground floor
                                    offices in the future, we could also
                                    do this ourselves he offered. <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Also, we can potentially rent
                                    multiple of these spaces, or move
                                    from one to other available spaces
                                    in the building at a later time. <br>
                                    <br>
                                    In order to move forward with this
                                    space (and not to lose footing), I
                                    have a proposal:<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <b>Sudo Room should consider
                                      "dipping" it's toe into the BOX
                                      OFFICE space (no. 2 above) by
                                      investing a portion of our
                                      fund-raiser funds of $200 first
                                      month (50% off for move-in), $400
                                      obligatory for last month (which
                                      can be july if we wish), and a
                                      redeemable $400 deposit--at a
                                      grand total of $1,000, lasting to
                                      at least July</b>. This would only
                                    commit us to two months in the
                                    space, the first month of which
                                    (June) we can sort out all the
                                    precise governance, tax, and income
                                    issues, by consensus, in order to
                                    move forward (remain, expand, or
                                    move) with this space and our
                                    future!<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I propose we hold a discussion on
                                    this email thread, use our other
                                    online tools, convene an in-person
                                    meetup on Saturday (anywhere that's
                                    available), consider all the issues
                                    and list them on the wiki, convene
                                    briefly again on Sunday with whoever
                                    can make the "scout session" (still
                                    on), and plan to move forward on
                                    Monday having begun due diligence to
                                    consider if we have the blessings of
                                    our community!<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Please add notes in reply to this
                                    thread, on this pad (for anonymous
                                    communication too): <a href="https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom" target="_blank">https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom</a>
                                    and ultimately we'll put everything
                                    on the Wiki on Saturday to sort out
                                    by Monday. <br>
                                    <br>
                                    On clarifying note: it seems to me
                                    that it would be prudent to maintain
                                    the Sunday "scouting" event for due
                                    diligence reasons, and for future
                                    option reasons!<br>
                                    <br>
                                    // Matt<br>
                                    <br>
                                    p.s. Note that time is crucial
                                    because other folks (including some
                                    we bumped into while on tour) are
                                    also looking at these spaces, and
                                    with the first of the month
                                    approaching, it is in the property
                                    manager's best interest to move
                                    folks in soon. <br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
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