Great research Micheal.<br><br>I think keeping money in the local economy is definitely a higher priority than friendly web interface.<br><br>--<br>Eddie A Tejeda<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Michael Scroggins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaeljscroggins@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">WePay is essentially a
user friendly front end pasted onto a medium sized business bank in
Delaware. Their back end is Bancorp (rhymes with Newscorp) which
specializes in white label banking solutions for their mid-sized
"affinity partners", of whom WePay is one. That Occupy uses WePay
because of flexibility and convenience says something about Occupy, but
not something I find encouraging. <br>
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A local credit union is..local. It is possible a Sudo Agent could run
for and possibly be elected to the board of directors and have real
input over how money is used and the money is more likely to be
reinvested in Oakland, and so forth...<br>
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My .02c - which I would like to stay in Oakland:) <br>
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<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:35px"><div><div class="h5"><br>** Please Read Voting + Motions at bottom of
minutes **<br><br>In short, tonight at the meeting we decided that all
who are present at our weekly meeting are welcome to vote on making
non-binding decisions for Sudo Room during this interim period, with the
requirement to report back via email and record these motions on the
wiki. This is a great way to move forward in this period before we
figure out the exact terms of decision-making (who, how, etc) which we
can now figure out as we actually move forward to opening a room.<br>
<br>I'll move this over to the wiki tomorrow, must sleep.<br><br>----<br><br><div><span><b>5/23/2012
- Meeting Minute</b></span><span><b>s</b></span></div>
<div><br></div><div><span><b>Attendees</b></span><span>: Patrik,
Timon, Marina, Phil, Eddie, Victoria, Michael, Michel, Angela, Rick,
Eddan, Patrick, Matt</span></div>
<div><br></div><div><span><b>Marginalia:</b></span><span> Space and
Time form a curved surface - and our new business. </span><span><b>- Nerd
Night Bay Area happening near last week of October talk to Rick - </b></span></div>
<div><br></div><div><span><b>Old
Business</b></span></div><div><span>1. Model + Budget
+ Income investigations (e.g Noisebridge, other)</span><span> - Jenny</span></div>
<div><ul><li><span>(ping via
email)</span></li></ul></div><div><span>2. Tax Structure
Options:</span><span> Eddan, Matt, Eddie</span></div>
<div><ul><li><span>** Eddan
and Timon (zoning) have done research, neither as Lawyers (see below)</span></li>
</ul></div><div><span>3. Distilling
Decision Maker/Community Options (Matt, Marina, Rachel, Jenny, Timon)</span></div><div>
<ul><li><span>This is
translated into future decision-making options (once we open a space),
since we have an interim solution for now</span></li>
</ul></div><div><span>4. Most
transparent process </span><span>for making
decisions</span></div>
<div><ul><li><span>This is
also touched on below</span></li></ul></div><div>
<span>5.
Determining important deadlines</span></div><div><ul><li><span>Done,
please expect an email to be directed to a space on the wiki for this!</span></li>
</ul></div><div><span>6. Clean up
listing of table of properties</span></div><div><ul>
<li><span>Begun,
needs more love, more listings, etc.</span></li></ul></div><div><br></div><div><span>==
Break-out Groups ==</span></div>
<div><span>1.
Note-cleaning and -posting</span></div><div><span>2. Notable
date / deadline / calendar comprehension (initiated, will be posted for
editing on wiki)</span></div>
<div><span><b>Decisions
That Need Deadlines: </b></span></div><div><ol start="1">
<li><span>Space.
(Before end of June = negotiation w/ EBALC; space would be ~November)</span></li></ol></div><div><ol start="2">
<li><span><s>Banking
Structure (i.e. what to do w/ our donations collected)</s></span></li></ol></div><div><ol start="3">
<li><span><s>Interim/
</s></span><span>Long-Term
Tax Structure (interim vs permanent) (501c3, fiscal sponsor, LLC, B
Corp)-- how long does it take to apply for each one of these?</span></li></ol></div><div><ol start="4"><li><span>Membership
Structure/ Pricing/ When Begin to Pay</span></li>
</ol></div><div><ol start="5"><li><span>Decision
Making (once have paying members)</span></li></ol></div>
<div><ol start="6"><li><span>Revenue
Models</span></li></ol></div><div>
<span>3.
Sudo Room option listings (begun, on wiki)</span></div><div><br></div><div><span><b>New
Business</b></span></div>
<div><span>+ Focus on
concrete goals and deadlines</span></div><div><span><b>====Space
and Time====</b></span></div>
<div><span>Update from
Timon about Zoning</span></div><div><ul><li>
<span>@TODO
investigate zoning laws esp in Oakland. Learned much from oakland
city website "CBD Central Business District Zone Regulations"</span></li></ul></div><div><ul><li><span> Eddie
suggests that "playing as we go" is not the way to go. </span></li>
</ul></div><div><span>Update from
Eddan about Tax Structure</span></div><div><ul>
<li><span>@TODO
fill out wiki with all options and comparative analysis for both tax
structure and organization structure</span></li></ul></div><div>
<ul><li><span>Eddan
wants some feedback--but it would be wise to have an environment that
enables different types of innovation funding. Fixing computers,
teaching classes, etc. </span></li></ul></div><div><ul><li><span>The
diversity here is how you could fund publicly-minded projects. This
could be beneficial, we should consider ways of fostering this. </span></li></ul></div><div><span>
Eddan is not acting as a lawyer. Looking at tax structure, ways to
organize it - 501(c)3. Also have the jobs act and crowdfunding, very
new. Comparing to different structures of organizations. Wants to ask
everyone a question:</span></div><div><ol start="1"><li><span>Become a
non-profit?</span></li></ol></div>
<div><ol start="1"><li><span>Can't do
lobbying (too much), supporting candidates, other reporting
requirements. Potential for pigeon-holing. </span></li>
</ol></div><div><ol start="2"><li><span>Could be
advantages to being forced to foreclose, be transparent--but that can
also be a choice to be transparent. </span></li>
</ol></div><div><ol start="2"><li><span>Keep going,
loosely bound collective, move forward without worrying about other
things?</span></li>
</ol></div><div><ol start="3"><li><span>Options
include all the way to a Super PAC</span></li></ol></div>
<div><ol start="4"><li><span>LLC - $900 /
year</span></li></ol></div><div>
<ol start="5"><li><span><b>Pop-up
lease opportunity.</b></span><span>
Oakollective + Popup Hood are great examples of this. </span></li>
</ol></div><div><br></div><div><span>== Voting
==</span></div><div>
<span>The
group recognizes that we have critical decisions to make, and everyone
wants to move forward with making decisions. Further, the group points
out that we need an interim decision-making process and that this should
(and will) change once we have a room [the ultimate goal]. It is also
recognized that we must make a leap of faith in order to begin with
interim decision-making.</span></div><div><br></div><div><span><b>Motion:
In this interim period, non-binding decisions will be voted on at Sudo
Room meetings by those attending and interested in voting, these will
then be shared with the email list and recorded on the Wiki.</b></span></div><div><span>11 Vote in
Favor (2 abstain, for sociological and journalistic reasons respectively
;)</span></div>
<div><br></div><div><span><b>Motion:
To aim to find an initial location, a Sudo Room (rather than a
full-fledged Sudo Space), targeted for the end of July</b></span></div>
<div><span>10
in Favor - One dissenter, Patrik's offers that Techliminal is a
sufficient platform and that it is not necessary to strive to open
another space. There are advantages and disadvantages to this position,
it is good this position is visible for thought and moving forward.
(Again 2 abstain for obvious reasons).</span></div><div><br></div><div><span><b>Strawpoll
(not a vote, just ): Willing to pay on a regular interval for Sudo Room
as a hackerspace (no discussion of membership, responsibilities,
benefits, etc.)</b></span></div><div><span>10
- One dissenter, Patrick based on the lack of an option to contribute
without financial payment. A valuable sentiment, and brings up that one
topic from the last meeting included strategies for allowing folks
without funds to contribute and participate in the space. This is on our
radar as we move forward! (2 abstain ' ' ' )</span></div><div><br></div><div><span><b>Motion:</b></span><span>
To create an interim solution for storing our current donations by (a)
using WePay on the condition that it acts just like a bank and won't
charge us any fees! (WePay is encouraging since its used by Occupy for
its flexibility.) If this fails to qualify such conditions, then (b) the
alternative is to have Matt and Eddan sign a Doing-Business-As and sign
up at a local Credit Union for a free account to store this money. The
caveat is that this can be changed easily, we can always move money to
some other bank, or under different names or a corporation, but our
current situation is non-ideal.</span></div><div><span>10
- (One abstains ' ' ' ) The emphasis behind this motion is to (1) deal
with the fact that we have donations from our fundraiser in three
locations and it would be good to consolidate them (2) this makes things
more transparent for everyone and (3) it allows us to easily start
adding more income to the coffer at the apporpirate times, and (4) spend
money easily when that is appropriate.</span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br>
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