As an addendum, I did not mean to imply that coworking spaces or coffeeshops are not relevant to community-oriented projects & activism - clearly there are exceptions (such as Tech Liminal!) - merely that I'm dedicated to creating a space where such work is a core principle from the start (rather than profit, which is necessarily a core component of traditional businesses).<br>
<br clear="all">Jenny<br>
<a href="http://jennyryan.net/" target="_blank">http://jennyryan.net</a><br>
<a href="http://thepyre.org/" target="_blank">http://thepyre.org</a><br>
<a href="http://thevirtualcampfire.org/" target="_blank">http://thevirtualcampfire.org</a><br>
<a href="http://technomadic.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://technomadic.tumblr.com</a><br>
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"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."<br>
-Laurie Anderson<br>
<br>
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."<br>
-Hannah Arendt<br>
<br>
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."<br>
-Stéphane Mallarmé<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Jenny Ryan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jenny@thepyre.org" target="_blank">jenny@thepyre.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This is a vital conversation to be having.<br><br>Mark makes an important point, and I think its essential that we collectively explore the history of hackerspaces and their role in communities of practice - their 'political function' in society. As I stated during our meeting yesterday, the very act of creating a space such as this is a political act (though perhaps another word is needed, as this one tends to trigger unpredictable and often unreasonable reactions in people [1]). What is 'social justice' if not access to resources and education, non-hierarchical decision-making, transparency and, Eddan's keyword from yesterday, fairness?<br>
<br>Another key component of hackerspaces is the 'hacker ethic', which I'm sure Mark or Marc could speak to better than I. An article posted by Mitch yesterday on the growth of hackerspaces in China [2] asks the critical question in the byline: "but can the hacker ethic flourish in a country with a poor record of protecting freedoms?" In a country where public space and freedom of speech are being increasingly policed and 1984'd, we would do well to look to other examples of the role hackerspaces have played in defending such freedoms.<br>
<br>I for one have no interest in co-creating in a space that is essentially a coworking space or coffeeshop (there are plenty of those already), where people come to take up space in isolation, working on things that are not relevant to the community in which they are ensconced. I want people to come to Sudo Room to hack on innovative and educational projects, the very nature of which are at once collaborative and empowering - in an open environment where everyone is both teacher and learner. <br>
<br>Given the foci of folks who show up to meetings, many of those projects
will be geared around citizen science and local activism - though by no
means restricted to those areas! We came a long way at the meeting last evening in articulating our shared vision of what Sudo Room is and could be Rather quickly, we came to an agreement that 1) access, 2) transparency, and 3) equity are among the process-based (rather than label-based) - or perhaps 'operational'? - values that define Sudo Room. <br>
<br><i>References</i>:<br>[1] <tt> "When <i>I</i> use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."<br>
"The question is, " said Alice, "whether you <i>can</i> make words mean so many different things."<br>
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty. "which is to be master—that's all."</tt><br>[2] <a href="http://owni.eu/2012/05/03/china-hackerspaces-hacking-diy-shenzhen/" target="_blank">http://owni.eu/2012/05/03/china-hackerspaces-hacking-diy-shenzhen/</a><br>
<br><br>-------------------------------<div class="im HOEnZb"><br>Jenny<br><a href="http://jennyryan.net/" target="_blank">http://jennyryan.net</a><br>
<a href="http://thepyre.org/" target="_blank">http://thepyre.org</a><br>
<a href="http://thevirtualcampfire.org/" target="_blank">http://thevirtualcampfire.org</a><br>
<a href="http://technomadic.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://technomadic.tumblr.com</a><br>
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`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`<br>
<div>
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."<br>
-Laurie Anderson<br>
<br>
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."<br>
-Hannah Arendt<br>
<br>
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."<br>
-Stéphane Mallarmé<br>
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`</div>
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<br><br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Philip W <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dude8604@gmail.com" target="_blank">dude8604@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I think that part of this discussion is what constitutes "limiting"<br>
ourselves. By having a more defined social message we're being open to that<br>
but limiting others who may not share those beliefs, or who don't want to<br>
participate in them. My point in starting this discussion was in the sense<br>
of truly not limiting things, letting broader things happen but giving<br>
people who don't want to be a part of that aspect a place to 'hack." I'm<br>
not suggesting we abandon these other goals, but to me one of the important<br>
things is being truly open to everyone, both physically and ideologically.<br>
So there's definitely room in a space like this for both people who just<br>
want to work on cool things and for those who want their work to contribute<br>
to a cause. I think this way Sudo Room would be most welcoming to all<br>
members of the community.<br>
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From: Jacob Shiach [mailto:<a href="mailto:kingjacob@gmail.com" target="_blank">kingjacob@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:42 PM<br>
To: Patrik D'haeseleer<br>
Cc: Phil; <a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [sudoroom] separation of politics and hackerspace?<br>
<br>
I just want to say that SudoRoom was started specifically to be more than<br>
just a space. If a space and equipment is all that someone wants, there's<br>
Techshop. Tinkering is fun and a good way to learn, but for me at least<br>
that's not enough. Why should we limit ourselves to making blinky things<br>
when the world is full of challenging problems? Seems a lot more interesting<br>
to me. Plus the small side effect of making people's lives better.<br>
<br>
Ps social justice, digital citizenship and citizen science aren't political,<br>
they're just good ideas.<br>
<br>
-<br>
Jacob Shiach<br>
<br>
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On May 9, 2012, at 10:58 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <<a href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com" target="_blank">patrikd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I think the impression that SudoRoom is more about social justice than<br>
> about "hacking" is simply due to the fact that we don't have a<br>
> permanent space yet, and that we've been doing a lot of planning<br>
> instead of working on projects. I'm sure we'll start seeing less talk<br>
> and more hacking as soon as we actually get some space to spread out<br>
> and tools to work with.<br>
><br>
> Personally, I do not think that hackerspaces necessarily need to have<br>
> a social mission. Sometimes it's fun just to get together with friends<br>
> to tinker with stuff, or hold a LAN party. Some hackerspaces focus<br>
> more on social justice and alternative communities. Some focus more on<br>
> incubating ideas to commercialize them. Some focus on art and<br>
> technology. And some just want to play with Legos. It's all good!<br>
><br>
> That said - yes, some of the people involved in SudoRoom are very<br>
> passionate about social justice issues, and I would expect we'll see<br>
> some projects along those lines - whether it's designing web spaces<br>
> for Occupy, or hacking cell phones for the homeless. But I wouldn't<br>
> necessarily want that to *define* the space. If someone wants to work<br>
> on some hacks for a better world - great! If someone wants to do some<br>
> synthetic biology and create an E. coli that blinks, I think that<br>
> should be OK too.<br>
><br>
> Patrik<br>
><br>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Phil <<a href="mailto:dude8604@gmail.com" target="_blank">dude8604@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I decided last week to advertise the fundraiser on Reddit, in some of the<br>
>> local subreddits. There was one response I got that I think is something<br>
we<br>
>> should discuss.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Also, when I think Hacker Space, I think of a big (or small) space where<br>
>> people can come and work on projects, either by themselves but in the<br>
>> presence of others, or with a group. There may be some tools and stuff.<br>
You<br>
>> pay money per month for use of the space.<br>
>><br>
>> But on Sudo Room, there is a lot about social justice and etc etc etc.<br>
This<br>
>> is great! But not what I guess I think about when I think about "hacker<br>
>> space", and if I were to be honest not really what I'd be interested in<br>
>> going to a "hacker space" for.<br>
>><br>
>> So... what is Sudo Room really?<br>
>><br>
>> --------------------<br>
>><br>
>> The rest of the thread is<br>
>> here:<br>
<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/oakland/comments/t4lex/sudo_room_a_newlyforming_east%0A_bay_hackerspace/" target="_blank">http://www.reddit.com/r/oakland/comments/t4lex/sudo_room_a_newlyforming_east<br>
_bay_hackerspace/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> So it seems like most of us have political interests, which I think Sudo<br>
>> Room should definitely have room for, however I think to be inclusive<br>
>> of everyone it should be separate from the hackerspace as an<br>
organization.<br>
>> Or somehow balance the two so that people like this are interested in<br>
>> joining us. What do you all think?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> - Phil<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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