[sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?

Mon Jul 16 22:33:57 CEST 2012

Hi Eddan,

I'm aiming to make it by 8 hopefully tonight (I have a vegan meal set up at
Mezze first) but I'm in for July rent!

Best,
Ryan

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:

>  Hi Sudo folk.
>
> Due to overwhelming demand (i.e., a couple people asked me about it), I am
> extending the opportunity to participate in the paying of July rent to
> whomever else is interested, until the start of our meeting tonight at 2135
> Broadway at 7pm. We are currently at 18 voluntary contributors (including
> myself), which makes it just below $32 per person. It would be great if
> others were also willing to chip so that we can make the Sudo-minyan of 23,
> as determined at last week's meeting. This would make it $25 per voluntary
> contributor to pay for July rent of our provisional current interim space.
>
> Since, according to the outlined schedule from the minutes - we will have
> made a compact for the Articles of Association just at the end of the
> month, I wanted to propose another experiment to try and pay for August
> rent. The amount will most likely be $875 by then (once accessibility to
> the second floor will most likely be resolved). I wanted to propose that we
> try the same $[rent]/n formula, but this time with *n* being groups or
> institutions. It would be great if we could get our like-minded friends in
> the area to enjoy our common spaces as well, especially the classroom. We
> could also solicit a wider range of art to be displayed for next Art Murmur
> on August 3.
>
> Can someone from the Mothership do a straw poll of interest in the
> invitation? And other sudo-represented groups among us? I'd gamble on being
> able to reach a Sudo-minyan of groups as well - and so will offer the
> eddan.com blog as a voluntary contributor.
>
>
> I also wanted to propose that we hold a formal ceremony at the end of our
> meeting tonight to try and answer the question asked on our sudo-nymous pad
> - "How many hackers can you fit in a Sudo Room?" I propose that July rent
> contributors and/or their proxies would be called first to step into the
> box office room so that we can give an informed and empirical answer to the
> posed question.
>
> Sincerely,
> Eddan
> [Self-Appointed Exchequer]
>
>
> On 7/4/12 6:54 PM, Hilary Naylor wrote:
>
> +1 (prefer Paypal)
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com> <isalix at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I will pay $[rent]/n too.
>
>
> On 3 July 2012 11:34, Victoria Bogdan <bogdan.victoria at gmail.com> <bogdan.victoria at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Also happy to contribute for July, so please add my name to the tally!
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi Jehan -
>
> There are two keys for 2135 Broadway that have been duplicated and
> distributed around so as to make getting a copy easier - those are the keys
> to: (1) the Box Office; and (2) the Orange Closet. I recently made another
> set of those keys though and would happily meet you there and give them to
> you. The landlord has no restrictions on the number of duplicates. There is
> also a key to the main door - for the door itself and the gate-lock when
> opening up and closing down. There are only several of these keys, though
> the landlord would be willing to make additional ones for an additional
> $10/month. Since that door is usually already opened by 8am by one of the
> tenants and generally only closed at around 11pm - that key would not be
> relevant for many users of the space.
>
> I have also paid the July rent ($300) for the upstairs office at 2141
> Broadway, which has allowed us use of the reception area for the past couple
> meetings. Accessibility is still only temporarily resolved with the
> permission we've had from the landlord and the East Bay Meditation Center
> where the elevator is, and therefore does not yet meet the criteria to which
> we've committed in getting an appropriate Sudo Room space. I therefore
> didn't think it would be appropriate to include that in the amount I was
> asking from the Sudo folks on the list. If you want to start using that room
> - let me know and I will make a copy for you as well. Right now, about 5
> people have keys to that room. My apologies for some of the junk lying
> around - still making my way through it.
>
>
> -Eddan
>
>
>
> On 7/3/12 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>
> Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are we meeting this
> wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I have helped pay, how can I
> access the space to work there? I would love to get started hackin' in our
> new hackerspace. Which part of the building are we actually renting, and how
> do I get in?
>
> -Jehan
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm sorry
> if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I was actually a
> supporter of postponing the decision to use existing funds until we have a
> better sense of how we work and what we're about. I'm very glad to hear
> people think we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move forward.
>
> Given our current status as an unincorporated association of people, a
> proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the most sense. To
> clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to expand our
> base of people who are connected and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am hoping
> that this would be incentive to get more people on board. It was not meant
> to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By
> suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can demonstrate
> how small that amount can be.
>
> For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it will
> be less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email subscribers to
> the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes on
> Facebook), we would each pay $4.
>
> There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily using a
> membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves the opportunity to
> try them out - at least in the interim.
>
>
> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "mattsenate at gmail.com" <mattsenate at gmail.com><mattsenate at gmail.com> <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Eddan,
>
> I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out before July,
> I am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we could get art murmur
> donations easily too.
>
> Tracy,
>
> I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to contribute
> regular dues, and to take donations from people who use and appreciate sudo
> resources infrequently.
>
> However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means. To me
> they should carry reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to the
> duepayer. This of course must cherish a commitment to access and
> participation not contingent on funds. I believe that is hat underlies this
> whole governance discussion.
>
> I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with more
> resources!
>
> Join me http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure
>
> - Matt
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical at comcast.net> <kinetical at comcast.net>
> Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm
> Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?
> To: "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
> Cc: <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org> <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>
>
>
> Sorry Eddan,
>
> I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or  by
> paypal if you prefer.  I don't understand the politics here or why we
> are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.
>
> Tracy
>
> Tracy
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
>
>
>  At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided not to
> make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be
> used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale being
> that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to
> make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated
> any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then
> there is the matter of July rent.
>
> I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room
> officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at
> this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange
> Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to
> our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be
> filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good
> Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already
> gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his willingness to
> give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear
> about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any time,
> you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and online
> payment providers, if that makes it any easier.
>
> But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I wanted to
> continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people would
> be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent
> for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me
> and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I will
> ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the
> number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the higher
> the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution
> amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too steep for
> any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an
> opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount.
>
> This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor
> does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a free t-
> shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running
> list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135
> Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to
> solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this
> group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo
> pages to voice your concerns.
>
> -Eddan
> [self-appointed exchequer]
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