[sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?

Tue Jul 3 20:34:53 CEST 2012

Also happy to contribute for July, so please add my name to the tally!

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:

>  Hi Jehan -
>
> There are two keys for 2135 Broadway that have been duplicated and
> distributed around so as to make getting a copy easier - those are the keys
> to: (1) the Box Office; and (2) the Orange Closet. I recently made another
> set of those keys though and would happily meet you there and give them to
> you. The landlord has no restrictions on the number of duplicates. There is
> also a key to the main door - for the door itself and the gate-lock when
> opening up and closing down. There are only several of these keys, though
> the landlord would be willing to make additional ones for an additional
> $10/month. Since that door is usually already opened by 8am by one of the
> tenants and generally only closed at around 11pm - that key would not be
> relevant for many users of the space.
>
> I have also paid the July rent ($300) for the upstairs office at 2141
> Broadway, which has allowed us use of the reception area for the past
> couple meetings. Accessibility is still only temporarily resolved with the
> permission we've had from the landlord and the East Bay Meditation Center
> where the elevator is, and therefore does not yet meet the criteria to
> which we've committed in getting an appropriate Sudo Room space. I
> therefore didn't think it would be appropriate to include that in the
> amount I was asking from the Sudo folks on the list. If you want to start
> using that room - let me know and I will make a copy for you as well. Right
> now, about 5 people have keys to that room. My apologies for some of the
> junk lying around - still making my way through it.
>
>
> -Eddan
>
>
>
> On 7/3/12 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>
> Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are we meeting this
> wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I have helped pay, how can I
> access the space to work there? I would love to get started hackin' in our
> new hackerspace. Which part of the building are we actually renting, and
> how do I get in?
>
>  -Jehan
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>
>>  Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm
>> sorry if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I was
>> actually a supporter of postponing the decision to use existing funds until
>> we have a better sense of how we work and what we're about. I'm very glad
>> to hear people think we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move
>> forward.
>>
>>  Given our current status as an unincorporated association of people, a
>> proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the most sense. To
>> clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to expand
>> our base of people who are connected and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am
>> hoping that this would be incentive to get more people on board. It was not
>> meant to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By
>> suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can demonstrate
>> how small that amount can be.
>>
>>  For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it will
>> be less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email subscribers
>> to the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes
>> on Facebook), we would each pay $4.
>>
>>  There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily using
>> a membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves the opportunity
>> to try them out - at least in the interim.
>>
>>
>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "mattsenate at gmail.com" <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   Eddan,
>>
>> I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out before July,
>> I am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we could get art murmur
>> donations easily too.
>>
>> Tracy,
>>
>> I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to contribute
>> regular dues, and to take donations from people who use and appreciate sudo
>> resources infrequently.
>>
>> However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means. To me
>> they should carry reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to the
>> duepayer. This of course must cherish a commitment to access and
>> participation not contingent on funds. I believe that is hat underlies this
>> whole governance discussion.
>>
>> I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with more
>> resources!
>>
>> Join me http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical at comcast.net>
>> Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm
>> Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?
>> To: "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>> Cc: <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>
>>
>>
>> Sorry Eddan,
>>
>> I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or  by
>> paypal if you prefer.  I don't understand the politics here or why we
>> are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> Tracy
>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
>>
>> > At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided not to
>> > make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be
>> > used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale being
>> > that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to
>> > make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated
>> > any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then
>> > there is the matter of July rent.
>> >
>> > I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room
>> > officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at
>> > this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange
>> > Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to
>> > our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be
>> > filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good
>> > Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already
>> > gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his willingness to
>> > give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear
>> > about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any time,
>> > you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and online
>> > payment providers, if that makes it any easier.
>> >
>> > But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I wanted to
>> > continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people would
>> > be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent
>> > for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me
>> > and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I will
>> > ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the
>> > number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the higher
>> > the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution
>> > amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too steep for
>> > any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an
>> > opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount.
>> >
>> > This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor
>> > does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a free t-
>> > shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running
>> > list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135
>> > Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to
>> > solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this
>> > group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo
>> > pages to voice your concerns.
>> >
>> > -Eddan
>> > [self-appointed exchequer]
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