[sudoroom] The Sudo Sandwich

Mon Dec 31 23:47:09 CET 2012

The issues about sales tax, use tax, or non-taxable regarding food for consumption is in fact a murky area. See http://www.taxes.ca.gov/Sales_and_Use_Tax/WhatsTaxable.shtml

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On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:38 PM, "Leonid Kozhukh" <len at ligertail.com> wrote:

> more importantly, eddan, what tax structure do we use for such an undertaking? shouldnt we put our eggs in multiple bread-baskets, if you will, and diversify to cover all extremes of diet preference as well as authoritarian control over ones life?
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> some food for thought, no doubt. ha
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> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at eddan.com> wrote:
>> Dear Sudo folk -
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>> There's been some talk of a Sudo Sandwich of late. I've decided (as eddancom) to make the creation of the ultimate Sudo sandwich one of my resolutions for this upcoming year.
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>> Trying to get a bit of a head start, I spoke to Nacho Boy earlier today, who's the guy that kind of looks like the guy in the Ike's Lair logo, but apparently is not. Ike's Lair is the sandwich shop on Sudo Sq., about which I don't really need to further advertise, deducing from the familiar brown paper bags and lollipop wrappers evident in the Sudo trash & recycling.
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>> I got some good background on Ike's and the external process by which someone can propose a sandwich talking to Nacho Boy. He's apparently responsible for quite a number of Ike's more than 400 sandwiches - including the Nacho Boy, of course, but also proudly the Menage a Trois, which is the most popular sandwich. (see http://ilikeikesplace.com/ for a full listing). When I asked him for a list of ingredients, he did seem to get a little defensive even though I hadn't yet mentioned anything about the ultimate sandwich idea. It turns out we're going to have to reverse engineer that from the website, which is thankfully laid out to sort by ingredients anyhow.
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>> According to Nacho Boy, Ike's is on the verge of an explosion around the Bay Area in 2013 on top of the quickly multiplying locations already, including one at SFO. The way Nacho Boy tells it, it seems like 2013 will be the year of Ike's and there's no stopping them. For a peek at what the real Ike looks like and some more background, see http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/us/26sfmetro.html. Watch out Subway, & the guy named Jared made famous for having lost a lot of weight eating only Subway sandwiches. Actually, Michael Phelps known for being the greatest athlete in Olympic history, is now their mascot. Anyhow - see the Man v Food Travel Channel youtube clip on Ike's for an even closer look -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1cGUsvqu2g.
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>> Despite the fame, Ike Shehadeh is very approachable Nacho Boy tells me - he still tweets his own tweets and reads his own Facebook fan page comments.
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>> So, back to the Sudo Sandwich and the process by which we could create the ultimate sandwich. The state of discussions I've taken part in around Sudo Room has two main camps, as far as I can conclude. There are those who believe this kind of thing should be done automatically, and propose that the whole mailing list be surveyed for a democratically elected sandwich that would be the ultimate Sudo Sandwich, as according to the members of Sudo Room. There is another camp, call it the do-ocracy way if you will, that thinks that people who think they're really good at making sandwiches should propose a certain combination and the members of Sudo Room would vote on the best one, but only members in good standing.
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>> I'd like to propose a third way, as I am wont to do. I think it would be wise to follow on the ambition of our Oakland pioneer mentors, Pandora, whose offices are still a block over in the building on Webster. The special sauce is the Music Genome Project - http://www.pandora.com/about/mgp - whereby each song is analyzed by paid amateur local musicians according to more than a hundred component parts. The algorithm of which song would be best to follow on the last one uses this as a foundation and then adds the layer of popularity as represented by the feedback users send back to Pandora as part of the customization of their own tailored music channels. Pandora is now moving on to humor apparently, to create a genome project of that. Pandora will ultimately be known not for radio, but as a taste engine, IMHO. This part of creating the ultimate sandwich is crucial to avoid those aspects of taste that are outside of majority-vote based rules, where you somehow end up with ancho
>>  vies and blueberry jam, which don't go together as some matter of objectivity, as far as I'm concerned.
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>> On top of that and in the spirit of Sudo Room - I propose that the ultimate sandwich algorithm be subject to the principals of Universal Design (http://www.universaldesign.com/), which have advanced technology and accessibility beyond the framework of special accommodation as required by laws such as the ADA. The ultimate sandwich should, in my opinion, be the sandwich that is openly accessible to just about any dietary restriction. Peanut allergies, vegan philosophy, cave man diets, etc. inclusive. The sandwich should be modular enough such that any such restriction could be faithfully ameliorated with removal of that ingredient from the sandwich, if need be, as a last resort. The accreditation system of Kosher food, as an example of what must lie outside of such an algorithm, is ultimately decided on a monopoly theory of control, whereby a rabbi must be willing to put his name behind it. Those aspects of keeping kosher based in a tradition of food chain systematics whose me
>>  thod and practice are universally accessible in being laid out in a common text, could be accounted for however in such an algorithm.
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>> I should mention as a matter of disclosure of any possible bias that my beliefs about the ultimate ingredients in food come from an unfortunate experience thirteen years ago at Pauline's Pizza in San Francisco. A gathering of several close friends from college, myself, and my girlfriend at the time, who shall out of respect to this story, remain nameless. Health-concerning eating issues aside, I was convinced that this group of people could agree on common ingredients for a large pizza. A simple method of tabulating ingredient preferences with the provided crayons on the wax paper tablecloth turned quickly into a stormy occasion of veto control, unnecessary name-calling, and quickly devolved into the belligerent sliding of parmesan cheese and red pepper glass shakers. It remains a painful memory to this day, and the particular events that occurred are still controversial as a matter of fact.
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>> -sent from eddan.com
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