[sudoroom] IMPORTANT POLL & Meetup Was Awesome

[Al Sweigart]

Noisebridge has never had a problem with the word "Hacker" or
"Hackerspace", either legal-wise or PR-wise. If anything, it might be
too tightly connected to software and computing and "maker" might be a
more broad term.

-Al

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:33 PM, kingjacob <kingjacob at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't worry too much about #8, even the FBI internally defines the term
> hacker as a good thing.
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:05 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately for us, description #8 is what the majority of people by and
>> large associate with the word 'hacker'. Hence why some people have started
>> using 'maker' instead to describe pretty much the same thing. Maker just
>> doesn't sound as l33t though which is a problem IMO.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Paul Ivanov <pi at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Senate, on 2011-12-30 12:21,  wrote:
>>> > p.s. poll link again: http://sudoroom.limequery.com/93385/lang-en
>>>
>>> Thanks for putting this together, Matt, and it was nice meeting
>>> everyone else.
>>>
>>> As a point of information regarding our discussion on the use of
>>> language when communicating with potential landlords, I filled
>>> out the above survey from a cafe with wifi, and when I tried
>>> clicking the link to go back to the hackerspace wiki, was greeted
>>> with this message:
>>>
>>>    --------
>>>    This site is blocked by the SonicWALL Content Filter Service.
>>>
>>>    URL: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room
>>>
>>>    Reason for restriction: Forbidden Category "Hacking/Proxy
>>>    Avoidance Systems"
>>>    --------
>>>
>>> The public, at large, still does not understand an appropriate
>>> definition for the term "hacker" - so here's the one from the
>>> Jargon File (which Mark and I shamed Matt for not knowing about!
>>> :) )
>>>
>>> hacker: n.
>>> [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe]
>>>
>>> 1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable
>>> systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most
>>> users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. RFC1392,
>>> the Internet Users' Glossary, usefully amplifies this as: A
>>> person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the
>>> internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in
>>> particular.
>>>
>>> 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who
>>> enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming.
>>>
>>> 3. A person capable of appreciating hack value.
>>>
>>> 4. A person who is good at programming quickly.
>>>
>>> 5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does
>>> work using it or on it; as in ‘a Unix hacker’. (Definitions 1
>>> through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them congregate.)
>>>
>>> 6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy
>>> hacker, for example.
>>>
>>> 7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively
>>> overcoming or circumventing limitations.
>>>
>>> 8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover
>>> sensitive information by poking around. Hence password hacker,
>>> network hacker. The correct term for this sense is cracker.
>>>
>>> The term ‘hacker’ also tends to connote membership in the global
>>> community defined by the net (see the network. For discussion of
>>> some of the basics of this culture, see the How To Become A
>>> Hacker FAQ. It also implies that the person described is seen to
>>> subscribe to some version of the hacker ethic (see hacker ethic).
>>>
>>> It is better to be described as a hacker by others than to
>>> describe oneself that way. Hackers consider themselves something
>>> of an elite (a meritocracy based on ability), though one to which
>>> new members are gladly welcome. There is thus a certain ego
>>> satisfaction to be had in identifying yourself as a hacker (but
>>> if you claim to be one and are not, you'll quickly be labeled
>>> bogus). See also geek, wannabee.
>>>
>>> This term seems to have been first adopted as a badge in the
>>> 1960s by the hacker culture surrounding TMRC and the MIT AI Lab.
>>> We have a report that it was used in a sense close to this
>>> entry's by teenage radio hams and electronics tinkerers in the
>>> mid-1950s.
>>>
>>> http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
>>>
>>> best,
>>> --
>>> Paul Ivanov
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