not considering wind resistance it would take: <br><br>11.1 seconds to fall 2000 feet, or<br><br>13.7 seconds to fall 3000 feet. <br><br>(I used this website: <a href="http://www.gravitycalc.com/">http://www.gravitycalc.com/</a>)<br>
<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Matt Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:railmeat@gmail.com" target="_blank">railmeat@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
How long would the free fall be for a 2000 foot fall? I wonder if it<br>
would be enough. We would probably need a much higher balloon and<br>
tether. Of course this exacerbates the problems of hoisting the tether<br>
and gondola and powering the gondola. This is almost starting to sound<br>
like engineering.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Matt<br>
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Lee von Kraus <<a href="mailto:leevonk@gmail.com">leevonk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> the website says the helikites can go up "thousands" of feet, not sure how<br>
> many thousands though, but I guess at least more than 2000 if their using<br>
> the word correctly.<br>
><br>
> You're right about all that cable weight weighing things down too much. So<br>
> it might be best to have a space-elevator-like gondola (as suggested<br>
> previously by Matt) thing that can climb up the single rope that's anchoring<br>
> the helikite to the ground. The gondola can be powered by a laser from the<br>
> ground (although I'm not sure how far a reasonably sized laser can shoot<br>
> power). That gondola would drive the capsule up to the helikite and then<br>
> 'throw' the capsule off and let it fall to the ground where we could have<br>
> some sort of cushion to catch it. The capsules could have fins on them to<br>
> better ensure that they fall straight down<br>
><br>
> As the fallen capsule is being retrieved the gondola would already be on its<br>
> way back down to get the same, or another capsule. The system wouldn't be<br>
> too speedy but would still be a useful tool, I'd imagine the demand for<br>
> usage would be pretty high from schools and amateur scientists that can't<br>
> afford other micro-G options.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jerry Isdale <<a href="mailto:jerry@mauimakers.com">jerry@mauimakers.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Depending on how high you go and the kg/m mass of the cable, it is<br>
>> possible that the weight of the 2x length of cable could be more than the<br>
>> weight of the winch.<br>
>> using this kevlar rope as a guide...<br>
>> <a href="http://www.pelicanrope.com/kevlar12strandrope.html" target="_blank">http://www.pelicanrope.com/kevlar12strandrope.html</a><br>
>> say we pick the 7/16", 15,000lb tensile strength rope at 5lbs/100ft.<br>
>> ('cause thats an easy weight)<br>
>> a 1,000ft length will weigh... 50lbs?<br>
>><br>
>> 1000 ft will not give much free fall time. Parabolic flights are on the<br>
>> order of 8000ft deltas ...400lbs<br>
>> Although rolling all that cable up into the helikite would require a lot<br>
>> of space/big spool.<br>
>><br>
>> Jerry Isdale<br>
>> <a href="http://MauiMakers.com" target="_blank">http://MauiMakers.com</a><br>
>> <a href="http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/" target="_blank">http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/</a><br>
>><br>
>> On Oct 3, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Lee von Kraus wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> The best way to maximize the allowable experimental capsule weight would<br>
>> be to have all the motor mechanisms on the ground as shown in the attached<br>
>> figure. That way the only mechanism, other than the capsule, that needs to<br>
>> be carried by the helikite is a pulley (and the weight of the capsule line).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Lee von Kraus <<a href="mailto:leevonk@gmail.com">leevonk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Here are some useful excerpts:<br>
>>> "<br>
>>> The 10 cubic metre Skyhook Helikite is able to fly to thousands of feet<br>
>>> in winds up to 50 mph lifting a payload of 5kg.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Helikites are designed for foul weather deployment and foul weather<br>
>>> flight. Even the largest Skyhook Helikites can be launched and retrieved in<br>
>>> all the winds that they can fly in. So deployment and flight can occur<br>
>>> safely in winds up to 50 or 60 mph.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The new Cased Helikite Aerostat Maintainable Platform (CHAMP) (see<br>
>>> products section) allows the deployment of a 10 cubic metre Skyhook Helikite<br>
>>> within 30 minutes. The unique part of the CHAMP is that it also includes an<br>
>>> excellent Helibase with top cover thus also creating a permanent, safe base<br>
>>> for the Helikite - not just a minimal launch platform.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Helikites can even be launched and recovered remotely - with no people<br>
>>> present at all. They are simply winched off or onto the Helibase.<br>
>>> "<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Lee von Kraus <<a href="mailto:leevonk@gmail.com">leevonk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> here is a link better describing the advantages of helikites:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.allsopp.co.uk/index.php?mod=page&id_pag=24" target="_blank">http://www.allsopp.co.uk/index.php?mod=page&id_pag=24</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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