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Excellent thinking, Paul. Devil is in the details, though, as
usual. The academic approach to managing division of projects has
many difficult pitfalls in implementation but it does satisfy all
the goals, IF everyone cooperates throughout the life of the
project. The NIH problem is the largest as time goes on...<br>
<br>
David M.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/24/2012 04:54 PM, Paul Szymkowiak
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CA+6RZadFhxgft452Ggv_9R9YmH4ZCFEy3uhBfSxWC7bXOfTrTg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi Matt,
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<div>Great points you've raised.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To clarify any wrong impression, the points you've raised
have been part of an active, ongoing discussion within the
caretaker team. I think it's great to see those same challenges
discussed in a wider group. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Having lead some projects at hackerspaces, and participated
in others, I don't think the idea of top-down, big-plans-upfront
will fly. I agree that many large-project management techniques
aren't really going to work in this context.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think there are a number of ways to run this program, but -
at least in my view - this will succeed if the ongoing plan for
the actual research is driven predominantly bottom up.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>One idea of how that might look is that hackerspaces joining
the program, nominating a representative or two to present their
interests, and have those groups of representatives define the
plan. There are challenges with this approach, especially around
managing change over time, but as I see it, it's probably a
reasonable middle ground. Trying to have lots of independent
researchers - rather than teams - coordinate a plan may be
ineffective. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In terms of what a longer-term plan for space exploration
might look like, it seems to me that a lot of the obvious
technology needs and required advances - or at least the known
problems and challenges to be overcome - are fairly easily
identified and already widely discussed. In fact, many
hackerspace groups are already pursuing some of those
challenges. So, although I'm advocating an inclusive plan,
driven by the interests of individual hackerspace teams, I
suspect that the plan will end up with many elements we'd have
included by taking a more top-down, project-management lead
plan.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As I see it, one of the things the SpaceGAMBIT organisation
can do is assist in enabling that process, rather than driving
it. In my view, that is a mix of linking projects and people
across the network, providing funds, curating project results
and content as a commons resource, and enabling skill and
knowledge sharing.<br clear="all">
Thanks & Best Regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
Paul Szymkowiak <br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 September 2012 11:49, Matt
Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:railmeat@gmail.com" target="_blank">railmeat@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Jerry,
I met you at 100YSS, that is how I heard about your space<br>
GAMBIT and this email list. As I understood it the talk was
about how<br>
to focus physics research at a large scale, such as
federally funded<br>
research projects and large university. I see hacker spaces
involved<br>
in a large number of small loosely coordinated, or
uncoordinated<br>
projects. Is that wrong? Since these project will be
smaller, they<br>
would use more mundane project management techniques.<br>
<br>
I had hoped that 100YSS would present some kind of road map
or broad<br>
plan that the various groups working on interstellar space
could<br>
follow. I still hope they present something. It would
probably be<br>
worthwhile asking someone at 100YSS if they plan to produce
a road<br>
map.<br>
<br>
I am not sure how best to proceed with this sort of problem.
You must<br>
have given it some thought before you made the DARPA grant
proposals.<br>
What did you come up with? If I were thrown into this
problem with no<br>
preparation I would start with some kind of literature
search to get a<br>
picture of the current situation and try to interview
experienced<br>
researchers in the field to find out what they think the
next steps<br>
should be. Then some kind of RFP process to see what people
are<br>
interested in doing.<br>
<br>
I am not sure how something like RFPs would work in a hacker
context,<br>
do you know of examples of this being done? Perhaps an "X
prize" style<br>
approach is more appropriate. In either case they would
benefit from<br>
some kind of evangelism and marketing.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Matt Johnson<br>
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On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jerry Isdale <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jerry@mauimakers.com">jerry@mauimakers.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> This was given in the context of the 100YSS
organization.<br>
> There are probably a half dozen different
non-profit organizations and<br>
> groups now pursuing space technology.<br>
> To some extent each of these (including our
SpaceGAMBIT) does 'control<br>
> project goals and funds' which decides what work
will be done, at least on<br>
> their nickel.<br>
><br>
> If you have a limited amount of funds and your goal
is to give it to hackers<br>
> to further space education and research<br>
> how would you decide what work will be done?<br>
><br>
> That is a quandary that I face.<br>
> Please help us decide.<br>
><br>
> Jerry Isdale<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:isdale@spacegambit.org">isdale@spacegambit.org</a><br>
> USA Program Lead, SpaceGAMBIT<br>
> Global Alliance of Makers Building Interstellar
Technology<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://SpaceGAMBIT.org" target="_blank">http://SpaceGAMBIT.org</a><br>
><br>
> This email is intended only for the personal and
confidential use of the<br>
> human(s) named above. If intercepted by an
extraterrestrial civilization,<br>
> all opinions expressed in this email are my own and
do not necessarily<br>
> reflect the opinion of mankind as a whole.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sep 22, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Matt Johnson wrote:<br>
><br>
> Interesting talk, the sliders were pretty funky
though. I am sure<br>
> there is a lot to be gained by using the best
technics in decision<br>
> making and project management. That assumes that
there is some<br>
> organziation or body that controls project goals
and funds and that<br>
> can decided what work will be done. That does not
match with my<br>
> understanding of what a hacker space is.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Matt Johnson<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Jerry Isdale <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:isdale@gmail.com">isdale@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> This was the talk at 100YSS Symposium that kicked
me off on Quaternion<br>
><br>
> Maxwell Physics.<br>
><br>
> The engineer part of me likes the rigor Buck brings
to the discussion ...<br>
><br>
> The hacker part of me wants to run screaming naked
thru the rainforest (my<br>
><br>
> backyard).<br>
><br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t95xWsxqNvI"
target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t95xWsxqNvI</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> The discussion of Heaviside-Tate flame war and
impact on theoretical (and<br>
><br>
> applied) physics starts about 12min in.<br>
><br>
> The rest of discussion is pretty interesting too.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Jerry Isdale<br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:isdale@spacegambit.org">isdale@spacegambit.org</a><br>
><br>
> USA Program Lead, SpaceGAMBIT<br>
><br>
> Global Alliance of Makers Building Interstellar
Technology<br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://SpaceGAMBIT.org" target="_blank">http://SpaceGAMBIT.org</a><br>
><br>
><br>
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><br>
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