<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">There is a reason the abandoned or soon to be abandoned underwater habitats are that way.<div>Mostly they have outlived their usable lifetimes.</div><div>One of my neighbors used to work on the NOAA Aquarius habitat like 10-15yrs ago.</div><div>he said it was old and dangerous back then.</div><div>A real underwater habitat would be a multi-million dollar endeavor, and so beyond the scope of what we could do.</div><div>An inflatable underwater garden/greenhouse? maybe that would be doable.</div><div><br></div><div>Propulsion and guidance for atmospheric rockets is covered by ITAR I think.</div><div>Interplanetary is probably not. Interstellar is probably too far out for them to worry about (aside from nuclear which is restricted for other reasons)</div><div><br></div><div>The video that started this thread looked back at the history of physics and identified a point where something happened.</div><div>Maxwell's unification of Electro-Magnetic-Light started a highly productive time in physics and engineering.</div><div>And yet it was met with such vehement antagonism that a major simplification/approximation was required for its acceptance.</div><div>What if there is a whole lot more lying in wait beyond that approximation?</div><div>Buck seemed to think it was a good fertile ground for research.</div><div>I think there are too few people who understand quaternions and the basics of EM theory expressed that way.</div><div>I've started digging into it slowly (reading <a href="http://www.das.uchile.cl/~rmendez/Documents/Roger_Penrose_Road_to_reality.pdf">http://www.das.uchile.cl/~rmendez/Documents/Roger_Penrose_Road_to_reality.pdf</a>)</div><div>over my head in first pages. I'd love a hacker based intro to the concepts.</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Sep 22, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Alex Cureton-Griffiths wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>I like this idea! Any links for location/cost/condition/etc? Renovating a research station to make it usable would be a useful experience in itself. I think some of the Maui Makers crew have scuba experience as well, so they'd be a good match for this project<br><br>Propulsion is covered under ITAR I think, so doing anything hands-on (or even hands-off) with that is a no-go since we're an international organization. I love the idea of livability testing.<br><br>On 23 Sep, 2012, at 12:07 PM, <a href="mailto:ainut@hiwaay.net">ainut@hiwaay.net</a> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Methinks one of the best items we could do with small sums of money is adopt one of abandoned underwater "livability" research stations. With one of those, we could really test ideas from the group to see if it would work in space. How long term the tests are would depend upon each individual goal, of course, but these 'habitats' are very cheap (maybe free) and are test beds that will actually bite you if your ideas are not workable. Small scale, of course.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We need to think about the spaceship propulsion certainly, but livability is just as high a concern; maybe higher if people are going on it!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">David M.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Quoting Jerry Isdale <<a href="mailto:jerry@mauimakers.com">jerry@mauimakers.com</a>>:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Aloha Matt<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Buck's talk was on the large scale - partially to say to the group at large - what needs to be done.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If you are going to look at building an interstellar ship one big question is the physics of propulsion<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that is what Buck focused on.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The 100YSS Org still seems pretty disOrg, IMHO. They have yet to create a separate entity to run things, operating under Mae's Mother's non-profit foundation for now. I missed the wrapup session but I havent heard of grand vision yet. Only seen one summary of event so far too.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">As for how a Hackerspace or alliance of spaces could do things...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It could be total anarchy, which would be mostly what hackers would prefer i think,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">but our program has somewhat lower aspirations, at least in the short term.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">One goal (akin to the <a href="http://100YSS.org">100YSS.org</a>) is securing funding/donations to allow us to continue beyond the initial seed from DARPA.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Where we diverge immediately, is the hacker goal of MAKE SOMETHING.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">actually producing something will also help secure funding, IMHO<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The proposal team has several ideas for projects.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cole has actually started on his (well he has 1000 ideas/min and 100 projects started/wk)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Some other ideas have been talked about on this list or by private email.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A Challenge is one option, but I dont think we can do an open ended one like X-Prize (like "create a FTL drive") as that might not be claimed by end of program. One challenge I have been talking up is an educational one -- create open curriculum space science and/or hacker-tech course with all material and replicate at another space purely using online comms.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We will most likely have an official RFP out in a month or so.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Start thinking of ideas - short run, low budget (3-6mo, <$5000USD).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">General area - humanity's long term survival and expansion into space<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Jerry Isdale<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:isdale@spacegambit.org">isdale@spacegambit.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">USA Program Lead, SpaceGAMBIT<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Global Alliance of Makers Building Interstellar Technology<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://SpaceGAMBIT.org">http://SpaceGAMBIT.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This email is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the human(s) named above. If intercepted by an extraterrestrial civilization, all opinions expressed in this email are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of mankind as a whole.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 22, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Matt Johnson wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Jerry, I met you at 100YSS, that is how I heard about your space<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">GAMBIT and this email list. As I understood it the talk was about how<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to focus physics research at a large scale, such as federally funded<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">research projects and large university. I see hacker spaces involved<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">in a large number of small loosely coordinated, or uncoordinated<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">projects. Is that wrong? Since these project will be smaller, they<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">would use more mundane project management techniques.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I had hoped that 100YSS would present some kind of road map or broad<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">plan that the various groups working on interstellar space could<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">follow. I still hope they present something. It would probably be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">worthwhile asking someone at 100YSS if they plan to produce a road<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">map.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I am not sure how best to proceed with this sort of problem. You must<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">have given it some thought before you made the DARPA grant proposals.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">What did you come up with? If I were thrown into this problem with no<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">preparation I would start with some kind of literature search to get a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">picture of the current situation and try to interview experienced<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">researchers in the field to find out what they think the next steps<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">should be. Then some kind of RFP process to see what people are<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">interested in doing.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I am not sure how something like RFPs would work in a hacker context,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">do you know of examples of this being done? Perhaps an "X prize" style<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">approach is more appropriate. In either case they would benefit from<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">some kind of evangelism and marketing.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Matt Johnson<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jerry Isdale <<a href="mailto:jerry@mauimakers.com">jerry@mauimakers.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This was given in the context of the 100YSS organization.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">There are probably a half dozen different non-profit organizations and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">groups now pursuing space technology.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To some extent each of these (including our SpaceGAMBIT) does 'control<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">project goals and funds' which decides what work will be done, at least on<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">their nickel.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If you have a limited amount of funds and your goal is to give it to hackers<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to further space education and research<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">how would you decide what work will be done?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">That is a quandary that I face.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Please help us decide.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Jerry Isdale<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:isdale@spacegambit.org">isdale@spacegambit.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">USA Program Lead, SpaceGAMBIT<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Global Alliance of Makers Building Interstellar Technology<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://SpaceGAMBIT.org">http://SpaceGAMBIT.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This email is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">human(s) named above. If intercepted by an extraterrestrial civilization,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">all opinions expressed in this email are my own and do not necessarily<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">reflect the opinion of mankind as a whole.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 22, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Matt Johnson wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Interesting talk, the sliders were pretty funky though. I am sure<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">there is a lot to be gained by using the best technics in decision<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">making and project management. That assumes that there is some<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">organziation or body that controls project goals and funds and that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">can decided what work will be done. That does not match with my<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">understanding of what a hacker space is.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Matt Johnson<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Jerry Isdale <<a href="mailto:isdale@gmail.com">isdale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This was the talk at 100YSS Symposium that kicked me off on Quaternion<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Maxwell Physics.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The engineer part of me likes the rigor Buck brings to the discussion ...<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The hacker part of me wants to run screaming naked thru the rainforest (my<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">backyard).<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t95xWsxqNvI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t95xWsxqNvI</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The discussion of Heaviside-Tate flame war and impact on theoretical (and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">applied) physics starts about 12min in.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The rest of discussion is pretty interesting too.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Jerry Isdale<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a 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type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://SpaceGAMBIT.org">http://SpaceGAMBIT.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This email is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">human(s) named above. 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