<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Aloha Matt<div><br></div><div>Buck's talk was on the large scale - partially to say to the group at large - what needs to be done.</div><div>If you are going to look at building an interstellar ship one big question is the physics of propulsion</div><div>that is what Buck focused on.</div><div><br></div><div>The 100YSS Org still seems pretty disOrg, IMHO. They have yet to create a separate entity to run things, operating under Mae's Mother's non-profit foundation for now. I missed the wrapup session but I havent heard of grand vision yet. Only seen one summary of event so far too.</div><div><br></div><div>As for how a Hackerspace or alliance of spaces could do things...</div><div>It could be total anarchy, which would be mostly what hackers would prefer i think,</div><div>but our program has somewhat lower aspirations, at least in the short term.</div><div><br></div><div>One goal (akin to the <a href="http://100YSS.org">100YSS.org</a>) is securing funding/donations to allow us to continue beyond the initial seed from DARPA.</div><div>Where we diverge immediately, is the hacker goal of MAKE SOMETHING.</div><div>actually producing something will also help secure funding, IMHO</div><div><br></div><div>The proposal team has several ideas for projects.</div><div>Cole has actually started on his (well he has 1000 ideas/min and 100 projects started/wk)</div><div>Some other ideas have been talked about on this list or by private email.</div><div><br></div><div>A Challenge is one option, but I dont think we can do an open ended one like X-Prize (like "create a FTL drive") as that might not be claimed by end of program. One challenge I have been talking up is an educational one -- create open curriculum space science and/or hacker-tech course with all material and replicate at another space purely using online comms.</div><div><br></div><div>We will most likely have an official RFP out in a month or so.</div><div>Start thinking of ideas - short run, low budget (3-6mo, <$5000USD).</div><div>General area - humanity's long term survival and expansion into space</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Sep 22, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Matt Johnson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi Jerry, I met you at 100YSS, that is how I heard about your space<br>GAMBIT and this email list. As I understood it the talk was about how<br>to focus physics research at a large scale, such as federally funded<br>research projects and large university. I see hacker spaces involved<br>in a large number of small loosely coordinated, or uncoordinated<br>projects. Is that wrong? Since these project will be smaller, they<br>would use more mundane project management techniques.<br><br>I had hoped that 100YSS would present some kind of road map or broad<br>plan that the various groups working on interstellar space could<br>follow. I still hope they present something. It would probably be<br>worthwhile asking someone at 100YSS if they plan to produce a road<br>map.<br><br>I am not sure how best to proceed with this sort of problem. You must<br>have given it some thought before you made the DARPA grant proposals.<br>What did you come up with? If I were thrown into this problem with no<br>preparation I would start with some kind of literature search to get a<br>picture of the current situation and try to interview experienced<br>researchers in the field to find out what they think the next steps<br>should be. Then some kind of RFP process to see what people are<br>interested in doing.<br><br>I am not sure how something like RFPs would work in a hacker context,<br>do you know of examples of this being done? Perhaps an "X prize" style<br>approach is more appropriate. In either case they would benefit from<br>some kind of evangelism and marketing.<br><br>--<br>Matt Johnson<br><br><br><br><br>On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jerry Isdale <<a href="mailto:jerry@mauimakers.com">jerry@mauimakers.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">This was given in the context of the 100YSS organization.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">There are probably a half dozen different non-profit organizations and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">groups now pursuing space technology.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To some extent each of these (including our SpaceGAMBIT) does 'control<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">project goals and funds' which decides what work will be done, at least on<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">their nickel.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If you have a limited amount of funds and your goal is to give it to hackers<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to further space education and research<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">how would you decide what work will be done?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">That is a quandary that I face.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Please help us decide.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Jerry Isdale<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:isdale@spacegambit.org">isdale@spacegambit.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">USA Program Lead, SpaceGAMBIT<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Global Alliance of Makers Building Interstellar Technology<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://SpaceGAMBIT.org">http://SpaceGAMBIT.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This email is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">human(s) named above. If intercepted by an extraterrestrial civilization,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">all opinions expressed in this email are my own and do not necessarily<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">reflect the opinion of mankind as a whole.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 22, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Matt Johnson wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Interesting talk, the sliders were pretty funky though. I am sure<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">there is a lot to be gained by using the best technics in decision<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">making and project management. That assumes that there is some<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">organziation or body that controls project goals and funds and that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">can decided what work will be done. That does not match with my<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">understanding of what a hacker space is.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Matt Johnson<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Jerry Isdale <<a href="mailto:isdale@gmail.com">isdale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This was the talk at 100YSS Symposium that kicked me off on Quaternion<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Maxwell Physics.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The engineer part of me likes the rigor Buck brings to the discussion ...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The hacker part of me wants to run screaming naked thru the rainforest (my<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">backyard).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t95xWsxqNvI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t95xWsxqNvI</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The discussion of Heaviside-Tate flame war and impact on theoretical (and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">applied) physics starts about 12min in.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The rest of discussion is pretty interesting too.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Jerry Isdale<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:isdale@spacegambit.org">isdale@spacegambit.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">USA Program Lead, SpaceGAMBIT<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Global Alliance of Makers Building Interstellar Technology<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://SpaceGAMBIT.org">http://SpaceGAMBIT.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This email is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">human(s) named above. 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