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The gubmnt PGP fiasco (waste of our tax dollars) doesn't appear to
be similar to talking about or researching mundane space and sea
livability problems. (I only use the term mundane in the sense that
survival is a minute-by-minute issue in those environments,
therefore very common.)<br>
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David M.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Matt Joyce wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAP_sDUHkn+OuOkzTAKYp5M=W0GEWCi-997bxe3N0riTVsxAL6Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann</a><br>
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Probably the most famous ITAR case in tech.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM, jrs <span
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href="mailto:jrs@mach30.org" target="_blank">jrs@mach30.org</a>></span>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This is J.
Simmons from Mach 30 (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mach30.org/" target="_blank">http://mach30.org/</a>).
To answer the question about fines and jail time for ITAR
violations, check out this part of the Wikipedia article to
get an idea of how far the US government will go to enforce
it.
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href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations#Enforcement"
target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations#Enforcement</a> </div>
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For more info, check out the Annotated ITAR (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ndia.org/Resources/ExportImportComplianceResources/Pages/AnnotatedITAR.aspx"
target="_blank">http://www.ndia.org/Resources/ExportImportComplianceResources/Pages/AnnotatedITAR.aspx</a>).
And you can see Mach 30's strategy for dealing with ITAR
here (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mach30.org/2011/10/25/what-about-itar/"
target="_blank">http://mach30.org/2011/10/25/what-about-itar/</a>).
As a side note, the idea of developing technology for an
alternate use case like underwater habitats is very much in
line with some of our thinking.</div>
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<div> -J
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:14 PM,
David <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Um, how can
that be? Has it happened to you?
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<div>Jerry Isdale wrote:<br>
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<div>Underwater systems are also not so
readily covered under ITAR - that is USA
residents can talk about the technical
details on public forums, conferences, etc.
Discussions of tech for space itself (eg
rockets, guidance, launch etc) will quickly
attract attention of US Dept of State and
can result in big fines and jail time.
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Isdale<br>
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<div>On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Paul
Szymkowiak wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">> This got me
to thinking about HSP supporting
underwater habitats, education and
research.
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<div>+1 from me. I think that's a
great way to engage the earth-bound
community, and a great way to trial
aspects of space-bound research
prior to deployment in space.</div>
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<div>> a neighbor who mentioned
noticing my participation in the
OpenROV project</div>
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<div> Great to see the KickStarter was
funded so well!</div>
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<div> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openrov/openrov-the-open-source-underwater-robot?"
target="_blank">http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openrov/openrov-the-open-source-underwater-robot?</a></div>
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