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    The gubmnt PGP fiasco (waste of our tax dollars) doesn't appear to
    be similar to talking about or researching mundane space and sea
    livability problems.  (I only use the term mundane in the sense that
    survival is a minute-by-minute issue in those environments,
    therefore very common.)<br>
    <br>
    David M.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Matt Joyce wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAP_sDUHkn+OuOkzTAKYp5M=W0GEWCi-997bxe3N0riTVsxAL6Q@mail.gmail.com"
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        href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann</a><br>
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      Probably the most famous ITAR case in tech.<br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM, jrs <span
          dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:jrs@mach30.org" target="_blank">jrs@mach30.org</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This is J.
          Simmons from Mach 30 (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://mach30.org/" target="_blank">http://mach30.org/</a>).
           To answer the question about fines and jail time for ITAR
          violations, check out this part of the Wikipedia article to
          get an idea of how far the US government will go to enforce
          it.
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          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations#Enforcement"
              target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations#Enforcement</a> </div>
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            For more info, check out the Annotated ITAR (<a
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href="http://www.ndia.org/Resources/ExportImportComplianceResources/Pages/AnnotatedITAR.aspx"
              target="_blank">http://www.ndia.org/Resources/ExportImportComplianceResources/Pages/AnnotatedITAR.aspx</a>).
             And you can see Mach 30's strategy for dealing with ITAR
            here (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://mach30.org/2011/10/25/what-about-itar/"
              target="_blank">http://mach30.org/2011/10/25/what-about-itar/</a>).
             As a side note, the idea of developing technology for an
            alternate use case like underwater habitats is very much in
            line with some of our thinking.</div>
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          <div> -J
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:14 PM,
                  David <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ainut@hiwaay.net" target="_blank">ainut@hiwaay.net</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Um, how can
                      that be?  Has it happened to you?
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                        David M.<br>
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                        <div>Jerry Isdale wrote:<br>
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                          <div>Underwater systems are also not so
                            readily covered under ITAR - that is USA
                            residents can talk about the technical
                            details on public forums, conferences, etc.
                            Discussions of tech for space itself (eg
                            rockets, guidance, launch etc) will quickly
                            attract attention of US Dept of State and
                            can result in big fines and jail time.
                            <div><br>
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                                          style="word-wrap:break-word">Jerry

                                          Isdale<br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://MauiMakers.com"
                                            target="_blank">http://MauiMakers.com</a></div>
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                                            href="http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/"
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                                <div>On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Paul
                                  Szymkowiak wrote:</div>
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                                <blockquote type="cite">> This got me
                                  to thinking about HSP supporting
                                  underwater habitats, education and
                                  research. 
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                                  <div>+1 from me. I think that's a
                                    great way to engage the earth-bound
                                    community, and a great way to trial
                                    aspects of space-bound research
                                    prior to deployment in space.</div>
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                                  </div>
                                  <div>> a neighbor who mentioned
                                    noticing my participation in the
                                    OpenROV project</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div> Great to see the KickStarter was
                                    funded so well!</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openrov/openrov-the-open-source-underwater-robot?"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openrov/openrov-the-open-source-underwater-robot?</a></div>
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                                  <div>Paul</div>
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