<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thanks J & Matt for the references.<div>Mach30 is an excellent source of information on 501(c)3, ITAR and other stuff. </div><div>This is not surprising as our goals are very closely aligned... and J is one of the founders of Dayton Diode (Ohio USA hackerspace). I expect to see lots of collaboration as we go forward.</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Matt Joyce wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann</a><br><br>Probably the most famous ITAR case in tech.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM, jrs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jrs@mach30.org" target="_blank">jrs@mach30.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This is J. Simmons from Mach 30 (<a href="http://mach30.org/" target="_blank">http://mach30.org/</a>). To answer the question about fines and jail time for ITAR violations, check out this part of the Wikipedia article to get an idea of how far the US government will go to enforce it.<div>
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For more info, check out the Annotated ITAR (<a href="http://www.ndia.org/Resources/ExportImportComplianceResources/Pages/AnnotatedITAR.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.ndia.org/Resources/ExportImportComplianceResources/Pages/AnnotatedITAR.aspx</a>). And you can see Mach 30's strategy for dealing with ITAR here (<a href="http://mach30.org/2011/10/25/what-about-itar/" target="_blank">http://mach30.org/2011/10/25/what-about-itar/</a>). As a side note, the idea of developing technology for an alternate use case like underwater habitats is very much in line with some of our thinking.</div>
<div><br></div><div> -J<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:14 PM, David <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ainut@hiwaay.net" target="_blank">ainut@hiwaay.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Um, how can that be? Has it happened to you?<div><br>
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</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Underwater systems are also not so readily covered
under ITAR - that is USA residents can talk about the technical
details on public forums, conferences, etc. Discussions of tech
for space itself (eg rockets, guidance, launch etc) will quickly
attract attention of US Dept of State and can result in big fines
and jail time.
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This got me to thinking about HSP supporting underwater
habitats, education and research.
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<div>+1 from me. I think that's a great way to engage the
earth-bound community, and a great way to trial aspects of
space-bound research prior to deployment in space.</div>
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<div>> a neighbor who mentioned noticing my participation
in the OpenROV project</div>
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<div> Great to see the KickStarter was funded so well!</div>
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<div> <a href="http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openrov/openrov-the-open-source-underwater-robot?" target="_blank">http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openrov/openrov-the-open-source-underwater-robot?</a></div>
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