<p>You're still missing the point....pushing through the atmosphere is not the problem. You need all that fuel in order to put your mass at the speeds required. <br>
High altitude platforms would probably be more dangerous than a rocket.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 3, 2012 11:18 PM, "cole santos" <<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Artus, there is less atmosphere at high altitude,most fuel is burned<br>
to lift fuel so the reduction in fuel payload is exponential getting<br>
larger as you approach the surface, hence the stratolaunch, JP<br>
aerospace systems approach.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:15 PM, cole santos <<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Check out JP aerospace luke....they are thinking huge ships. It is<br>
> impractical, however so was atmospheric nitrogen synthesis before<br>
> haber bosch, long distance power transmission before Tesla, etc.<br>
><br>
> I think rockets (and other developed tech) is a misplaced goal with<br>
> stratolaunch, spacex, NASA, ect. The things that need our attention<br>
> are the things very few are doing. ie closed arcologies, asteroid<br>
> mineral utilization, solar furnaces, biogas rockets, MHD rockets, etc.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Luke Weston <<a href="mailto:reindeerflotilla@gmail.com">reindeerflotilla@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Furthermore, if you want to launch a rocket from some sort of platform<br>
>> carried by a balloon or something - well, it may be practical to do<br>
>> this with a small model rocket or something, but it's going to be<br>
>> highly impractical to carry the weight of any meaningfully large<br>
>> rocket.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Luke<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Atrus <<a href="mailto:atrus6@gmail.com">atrus6@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Except, there really isn't that much difference in gravity from the surface<br>
>>> of the earth, 10km or in orbit.<br>
>>><br>
>>> g on the<br>
>>> surface: <a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+%5Bg+%3D+%286.67*10%5E-11+*+5.9442*10%5E24%29+%2F+%286378100%29%5E2%2C+g%5D" target="_blank">http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+%5Bg+%3D+%286.67*10%5E-11+*+5.9442*10%5E24%29+%2F+%286378100%29%5E2%2C+g%5D</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> g 10km<br>
>>> up: <a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+%5Bg+%3D+%286.67*10%5E-11+*+5.9442*10%5E24%29+%2F+%286378100%2B10000%29%5E2%2C+g%5D" target="_blank">http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+%5Bg+%3D+%286.67*10%5E-11+*+5.9442*10%5E24%29+%2F+%286378100%2B10000%29%5E2%2C+g%5D</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> ISS orbit (410 km up)<br>
>>> : <a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+%5Bg+%3D+%286.67*10%5E-11+*+5.9442*10%5E24%29+%2F+%286378100%2B410000%29%5E2%2C+g%5D" target="_blank">http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+%5Bg+%3D+%286.67*10%5E-11+*+5.9442*10%5E24%29+%2F+%286378100%2B410000%29%5E2%2C+g%5D</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> This is why launching rockets on a platform will only make the actual launch<br>
>>> more difficult. You still have to reach escape velocity to obtain orbit, the<br>
>>> only thing you would be doing by launching a rocket at a higher altitude<br>
>>> would be the face that you would have to hit that velocity in a shorter<br>
>>> distance.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Tim Butram<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Stuart Young <<a href="mailto:cefiar@gmail.com">cefiar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Jan 3, 2012 11:27 AM, "Atrus" <<a href="mailto:atrus6@gmail.com">atrus6@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > What exactly is the benefit of having a high altitude launch platform?<br>
>>>> > You would still need to reach essentially the same escape velocity, but only<br>
>>>> > have ~half the distance to achieve that velocity. That seems like a worse<br>
>>>> > trade off (assuming that your perceived benefit is less air resistance).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Benefits (apart from air resistance):<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 1. Less gravity to escape (inverse square law).<br>
>>>> 2. Less fuel to carry in the actual rocket (less mass to move to get a<br>
>>>> payload to escape velocity), which should make things simpler (no need for<br>
>>>> multiple stages, simpler avionics).<br>
>>>> 3. Less differences in engine design (high/low atmospheric pressure<br>
>>>> compensation in design not necessary) which simplifies engine and avionics<br>
>>>> design.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> And that is just the ones that I can think off of the top of my head.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Btw: Written from my phone, while on site at a client, so pls excuse any<br>
>>>> errors in the text.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Cef<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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