<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>In some regards I agree that coordination and yearly gathering may be more difficult to find funding for than individual projects. On the other hand the coordinating agency can focus on the big dream (whether it's Building a space colony, getting to mars in 20 years, 100 year starship, whatever). </div><div><br></div><div>I have a feeling we could get more people interested and donating via sources like kickstarter for something like that, if marketed right, than something essential but unglamorous like satellite testing equipment or building satellite ground stations. Of course each project should aim for their own donations too, and the marketing of the dream by the central coordinating organization could really feed into those.<br></div><div><br>On 1 Jan 2012, at 04:23 PM, Jerry Isdale <<a href="mailto:jerry@mauimakers.com">jerry@mauimakers.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>There are a LOT of aspects to this large, complex project. <div><div>We can and should pursue several development paths and funding vehicles.</div><div>It would be a very good idea to talk with the Project Icarus folks. </div><div>It would also be a good idea to talk to the DARPA PM for a debriefing on our project.</div><div><br></div><div>Our part of the proposal included several agricultural research efforts. </div><div>There are some options for supporting this we are looking into.</div><div><br></div><div>The one area of our proposal that would be harder to find funding for is the coordination between spaces, and yearly gathering. That would however, be a great thing to do --- not just for Starship things but for general hackerspace project sharing. </div><div><br></div><div>Ideas?</div><div><br><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Jerry Isdale<br><a href="http://MauiMakers.com">http://MauiMakers.com</a></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><a href="http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/">http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/</a></div></span></div></span></span>
</div>
<br><div><div>On Dec 31, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Paul Szymkowiak wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi All,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for posting the link Huei Ming.</div><div><br></div><div>Something encouraging here: note that Kelvin F. Long, Vice President (Europe) Icarus Interstellar says</div><div><br></div>
<div>"<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif;font-size:13px;line-height:20px;text-align:left">We believe we are deserving winners. The decision is not ours of course and whoever wins we will work co-operatively with them and together build a better future for us all. Similarly, if we win we intend to embrace the entire interstellar community in the spirit of inclusiveness, openness, transparency and participation for all.</span>"</div>
<div><br></div><div>So, taking Kelvin at his word, perhaps a logical first step is to contact the Project Icarus folks, and discuss ways in which the global Hackerspace network could contribute to the project?</div><div>
<br>
</div><div>Any thoughts about how best to approach that?</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Paul </div> <br>Paul (Zee) Szymkowiak <br><div><a href="http://hackmelbourne.org/" target="_blank">HackMelbourne.org</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://gplus.to/paulzee" target="_blank">gplus.to/paulzee</a></div><div><a href="http://twitter.com/paulzee" target="_blank">twitter.com/paulzee</a></div><div><a href="http://twitter.com/smartenergywins" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://twitter.com/hackmelbourne" target="_blank">twitter.com/hackmelbourne</a><br>
TimeZone: GMT +10 hours</div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 January 2012 01:27, Huei Ming Tan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tanhueiming@gmail.com">tanhueiming@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hello all,<div><br></div><div>Ricky, could you write back and get some feedback on why our proposal did not make the final cut? It's be helpful to know where's the weak points to address in moving forward from here.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As I understand it off the Internet, Project Icarus, in partnership with former astronaut and 100 YSS Track Chair for Education, Social, Economic and Legal Considerations Mae Jemison and the Foundation for Enterprise Development (of which Mary Ann Beyster is President and 100 YSS Organizations Panel member) is DARPA's grant awardee. The direct link to the announcement on Icarus Interstellar is down, but a post on their RFP submission is available here at <a href="http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/blog/icarus-interstellar-moving/" target="_blank">http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/blog/icarus-interstellar-moving/</a>.</div>
<div><br></div><div>To be fair, Project Icarus is practically the only game in town right now that is anywhere remotely able to pull off an interstellar mission and they had strong partners joining them in their RFP effort. In recognition of that fact, and that this effort is for humanity's benefit and not just ourselves, I heartily congratulate and wish them well! Nevertheless, it is my own two cents worth, but I still see that the Hackerspace community have a huge potential in leading the effort to create and coordinate an international effort to build and launch projects, so do not lose heart people!</div>
<div><br></div><div>Last but not least, all the best for the year ahead. Happy New Year 2012!</div><div><br></div><div>Warmest regards,<br>Huei Ming<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Alex Cureton-Griffiths <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alexcg@gmail.com" target="_blank">alexcg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I'm working on a google spreadsheet of potential funding sources. Will open it up and post to group in a few days (no google docs access at present since I'm in China). We can all put our thoughts in.<br>
<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div><div><br>On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Sung won Lim <<a href="mailto:4phlebas@gmail.com" target="_blank">4phlebas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite">
<div><p>Guys, I want to second the opinion that we go through with a hackerspace space program DARPA fund or not. </p><p>I know I'm going to continue to work on it either way and I'm sure lot of people on this list will as well. Funding's an issue but not an insurmountable one; there are plenty of people, projects and initiatives targeted at private space projects and the number's set to increase in the coming years. </p><p>It would be great to see continued collaboration and discussion about hackerspace space programs on this list in the new year. </p><p>-Sung </p><p>Genspace NYC </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 31, 2011 2:06 AM, "Shyu Lee" <<a href="mailto:me@shyul.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:me@shyul.com" target="_blank">me@shyul.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,51,102);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div><div>Hi Ricky,</div><div><br></div><div>I am always thinking of if I can go to space during my lifetime. Although I am pretty realistic one many things and not so pleasant to some enthusiastic people, however I do know I worked so hard for earning money is not just for earning money that simple, there should be some more advanced goals to fight for… And to me, is all about the space.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It is not the time to reiterate how important for the space projects to human now. I'd say there are many other approaches for XinCheJian and many other backspaces to get involved into space related projects. I promise I will continue my involvement of it with XinCheJian. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Looking forward to the brilliant and happy new year!</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>Best Regards,</div><div><font size="6"><span style="font-size:20px">李旭 / Shyu Lee</span></font></div></div></div>
</div></div><div><br></div><span><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt">
<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Ricky NG-Adam <<a href="mailto:rngadam@xinchejian.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:rngadam@xinchejian.com" target="_blank">rngadam@xinchejian.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:01:02 -0700<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> spaceprogram <<a href="mailto:spaceprogram@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:spaceprogram@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">spaceprogram@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Fwd: DARPA-RA-11-70 100YSS Notification<br>
</div><div><br></div>Hello!<div><br></div><div>We have sadly NOT been selected for the DARPA 100 Year Starship... Sorry to everyone who put their time into this. I'd like to extend my sincere personal excuses towards everyone who contributed and hoped for this to work out. I obviously should have done a better job at this!</div>
<div><br></div><div>I haven't been offered more details on why precisely we were rejected but naturally I still think that Hackerspaces, as technical communities that already are in existence and are self-sustainable were the ONLY logical choice for such an organization but apparently DARPA disagreed....</div>
<div><br></div><div>In any case, I think direct funding from DARPA would have been controversial for many hackerspaces (as witnessed on the <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://hackerspaces.org/" target="_blank">hackerspaces.org</a> mailing list recently). I do believe that many efforts are ongoing in Hackerspaces around the world to explore space. Among other things, at XinCheJian, we just had a meeting this evening to discuss building testing equipment for going to space (vibration, thermal gradient, shock, g-forces, vacuum, etc) as the first logical step to building our own space robots.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Hopefully whatever organization that receives the funds will realize that Hackerspaces are the best physical spaces to conduct projects of benefit to humanity.</div><div><br></div><div>Notification letter extract attached.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br>-- <br>伍思力 | Ricky Ng-Adam | <a href="http://xinchejian.com/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://xinchejian.com/" target="_blank">http://xinchejian.com</a> | <a href="tel:%28%2B86%29%20186-2126-2521" value="+8618621262521" target="_blank">(+86) 186-2126-2521</a><br>
</div></span></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
SpaceProgram mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div>
</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>SpaceProgram mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org</a></span><br>
<span><a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
SpaceProgram mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
SpaceProgram mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org">SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br>
_______________________________________________<br>SpaceProgram mailing list<br><a href="mailto:SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org">SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>SpaceProgram mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org">SpaceProgram@lists.hackerspaces.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/spaceprogram</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>