<div>Hi Ricky/ Jerry,</div><div><br></div><div>I think Jerry has raised a number of great points, but particularly his points regarding the approach to education:</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;">
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word; "><div>One thought I had -- the program should have an educational component - one to teach people helping in near term, and for much later when starship is enroute. This is a multi-generational effort and we need to train people up quickly. Perhaps we could sponsor some competitions to develop focused self-taught/group classes in various Maker tech... rapid prototype machines, 3d design for rapid manufacturing, microelectronics (arduino, general electronics), troubleshooting, programming etc. The course materials would be CC licensed and available through the organization to further the development of other projects. We could/should have educational component to most of the other projects so as to distribute the knowledge of how to build it.</div>
</div></blockquote></div></div><div><div class="im"><div><br></div></div></div><div><div>Kicking this off can be part of the job of the full-time officer of the organization. We've been doing pretty well with our classes at XinCheJian and I'd love to keep extending this educational effort.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><div class="im"><div><br></div><div>Ricky, I think this is a key hackerspace differentiator, and an important response to 100YSS. What Jerry is talking about here needs to be a core part of the vision and plan now, not something to be kicked off later (although of course the *implementation* would be).</div>
<div><br></div><div>This is a great vision of how hackerspaces fit the need, and I see two key elements here: 1) a truly open source, creative commons "from the ground up" maker education program, and 2) a maker education program that, from the outset, addresses the need for 100YSS to have *enroute* multi-generational learning and self-improvement to support ongoing development and discovery of new technologies.</div>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word; "></div></blockquote></div></div><br clear="all">Cheers,<br><br><br>Paul<br> <br>Paul Szymkowiak <br><div><a href="http://hackmelbourne.org/" target="_blank">HackMelbourne.org</a></div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 November 2011 08:12, Ricky Ng-Adam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rngadam@gmail.com">rngadam@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hello Jerry!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:49 AM, Jerry Isdale <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jerry@mauimakers.com" target="_blank">jerry@mauimakers.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Aloha<div><br></div><div>I've been remiss in putting some time to this effort. I looked at and edited the g-doc proposal a bit this AM. I added myself in the participant part and updated the MauiMakers section a bit. In the Sources of Funding section, I added Crowd-Sourced (eg Kickstarter) for specific projects.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Good idea! The way I've got it setup right now is that we will have regular distributions every 3 months to a new hackerspace to cover projects to the amount of 30K$USD dollars. Obviously, additional funds to this would be important and actually could be a good way to gauge how much support and interest there is for a project. Perhaps a criteria before funding a project out of the 100YSS.</div>
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<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>One thought I had -- the program should have an educational component - one to teach people helping in near term, and for much later when starship is enroute. This is a multi-generational effort and we need to train people up quickly. Perhaps we could sponsor some competitions to develop focused self-taught/group classes in various Maker tech... rapid prototype machines, 3d design for rapid manufacturing, microelectronics (arduino, general electronics), troubleshooting, programming etc. The course materials would be CC licensed and available through the organization to further the development of other projects. We could/should have educational component to most of the other projects so as to distribute the knowledge of how to build it.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Kicking this off can be part of the job of the full-time officer of the organization. We've been doing pretty well with our classes at XinCheJian and I'd love to keep extending this educational effort.</div>
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<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Sponsoring hackerspace/open competitions for various focused topic challenges could be another good way for our organization to develop the general tech for the 100YSS.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>The general sense I got from DARPA is that they'd rather have us develop collaboration instead of the competition. Although organizing competition instead of collaborative efforts is much easier to understand.</div>
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<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>That said, there is a LOT of stuff DARPA will be looking for in a proposal, not the least of which is the financial/management aspect. I'm not qualified to do this part, but speak from experience with prior DARPA proposals. They look heavily at both the tech side and the can-they-actually-pull-this-off side -- oh yeah and the can-they-handle-the-FAR-accounting-requirements angle. I dont know if they need us to be FAR compliant. I hope not. That sucks up a huge chuck of the funding by itself.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I don't think FAR will enter the equation; we'll be a separate organization with very little links back to DARPA apart from checking that we're fulfilling our obligations. At least, that's the sense I get from reading the requirements.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I've just worked on a cash flow:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuPYJiOSewXLdEtTUGhSd3ZGQ0p6MmJfMzFoQzFLZ2c&hl=fr#gid=0" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuPYJiOSewXLdEtTUGhSd3ZGQ0p6MmJfMzFoQzFLZ2c&hl=fr#gid=0</a> </div>
<div><br></div><div>I think they'd be getting the best deal with us. Me and Min Lin Hsieh full-time with no salary - just covering our expenses. By the end of the two years at least 8 different organizations participating with funded projects using a majority of the original grant going to actually make concrete progress towards the long-term goals of the 100YSS.</div>
<div><br></div><div>(I'm sure some may find it icky that I'm putting myself as a full-time member of the organization but AFAIK there isn't that many people willing to float around the planet for the next two years without a salary. Even less finding two persons that have experience working as a team and complimentary interests and skillset ^_^ But feel free to argue with me on this if you don't like the idea.)</div>
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<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Lots to write up here to make it a full response.</div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div></div><div>Yes! Thanks for your help, much appreciated. I still have two days ahead of me so I think we can make it. I feel more confident now that I have a detailed cashflow.</div><div> </div><div>Thanks,</div>
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