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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">That's a good point. Yeah, it would be
      better to start over after they've been not auto-patched this
      whole time. Fire at will. :(<br>
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      Eric<br>
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      On 01/21/2017 12:15 PM, sheila miguez wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">I don't know him and all the details but I am sad
        that all that happened. I hope the ongoing work has a
        contributor covenant or code of conduct that can help next time
        something happens. I know it won't necessarily prevent things,
        but trust me, having anything at all can help when you get in a
        position where shit is happening.
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        <div dir="auto">Re the VMs, I'm going to suggest we spin those
          down since they aren't being used. If they are running without
          getting updates they will be targets of opportunity.</div>
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        <div dir="auto">Once you need a VM we can talk to the group
          again.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 21, 2017 12:01 PM, "Eric Stein"
          <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:toba@des.truct.org">toba@des.truct.org</a>>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Out of
            respect for Koen's wishes, I have removed him from the
            thread. Please reply to this message if you have anything to
            add.<br>
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            Eric<br>
            <br>
            On 01/21/2017 05:06 AM, Koen Martens wrote:<br>
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              Hi all,<br>
              <br>
              I originally came up with the idea of the spaceapi, and
              it's fun to see<br>
              how so many of the early adoptors made it into something
              real.<br>
              <br>
              However, after the lies, propaganda, crap and abuse the
              CCC and Jacob<br>
              Appelbaum directed at me, i no longer feel at home in the<br>
              hacker-community at large. I have long since said goodbye
              to that<br>
              treachorous quagmire of backstabbing bs. I've sure had
              some great times,<br>
              and there's many in the community I miss, but on the whole
              the balance<br>
              has tipped to the negative regarding my involvement with
              it all.<br>
              <br>
              Do whatever you want folks, just don't include me in any
              of your plans.<br>
              Especially not if the ccc is in any way, either directly
              or indirectly,<br>
              involved.<br>
              <br>
              Thanks,<br>
              <br>
              Koen (gmc)<br>
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              On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 04:02:04PM -0600, Jim Campbell
              wrote:<br>
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                    I think I'm reading this as the servers that we've
                had running for a long<br>
                    while haven't been used at all?  Is that right? I
                had assumed that, since<br>
                    the space api website was up, that it was using
                those servers.<br>
                    Whatever you all end up doing is fine, but those
                servers have been up for<br>
                    probably years, so I'm a bit disappointed to know
                that they haven't been<br>
                    used. Let me know what you decide to do.<br>
                    Jim<br>
                    On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Eric Stein <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:toba@des.truct.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:toba@des.truct.org">toba@des.truct.org</a></a>>
                wrote:<br>
                <br>
                      Hey SpaceAPI maintainers & interested
                parties...<br>
                <br>
                      Just heard from Sheila that <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://spacedirectory.org/" rel="noreferrer"
                  target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://spacedirectory.org/">https://spacedirectory.org/</a></a> is a
                thing<br>
                      that's happened.  The announcement about <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://spacedirectory.org" rel="noreferrer"
                  target="_blank">spacedirectory.org</a> -<br>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-January/011302.html"
                  rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/<wbr>pipermail/discuss/2017-January<wbr>/011302.html</a>.<br>
                <br>
                      I got us some VMs from Jim a long time ago and we
                never managed to cut<br>
                      over to them due to various reasons. Do we still
                need those servers?Â<br>
                      Current SpaceAPI maintainers (Roland, Romain,
                Koen) - what do you think<br>
                      of this?  I personally am hopeful that they mean
                well and we could<br>
                      merge our efforts potentially. Some of the things
                that Romain already<br>
                      wrote could potentially be usable on this new
                effort but I don't<br>
                      personally know how to set them up properly.<br>
                <br>
                      I don't know how they intend to do governance of
                the spec / requirements<br>
                      for the new directory software.<br>
                <br>
                      Eric Stein<br>
                <br>
                      @toba<br>
                <br>
                      Pumping Station: One member<br>
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