<div dir="ltr"><div><div>this is starting to become a little bit ideological, and crucially not constructive re the purpose of this list<br><br></div>just as each hackerspace has its own atmosphere/culture, i think each hacker community is the same. its up to them to decide on what _type_ of event they want. <br>
<br></div>as for NL - rejo, you make very good points and i can see where you're coming from even though at heart (and almost irrationally) i disagree. good luck convincing the rest of the community though ;)<br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Nick Farr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nick@nickfarr.org" target="_blank">nick@nickfarr.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
A quick note on being more remote: If you're inside or very close to a<br>
major city, there is a class of people that will just stay in a nearby<br>
hotel and commute to the event.<br>
<br>
This is also the class of people that would otherwise spend a lot of<br>
resources and energy building nice camps<br>
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On 04/06/2014 05:27 PM, Eelco Hotting wrote:<br>
> On 04/04/2014 10:24 AM, Attilla de Groot wrote:<br>
><br>
>>> im with rop - do it outside of NL. the paper-pushing is just<br>
>>> ridiculous here<br>
><br>
>> I disagree. Of course the paper-pushing is ridiculous, but if it<br>
>> isn't organised in NL anymore we can just call it CCC 2017. And I'm<br>
>> not even talking about all the logistical and organisational issues<br>
>> when organising an event in another country with a language that<br>
>> we're not speaking natively.<br>
><br>
> It might be stupid to organize it in NL, but that is the challenge for<br>
> me. It involves a lot of work (and money!) to get it done in NL<br>
> compared to DE, but it can still be done.<br>
<br>
</div>There comes a point when the cost in monetary and goodwill terms (i.e.<br>
Security Guards) gets to be just too much to make it worth it.<br>
<br>
If the Dutch are organizing it and finding the funding, it's still a<br>
dutch camp. Just across the border in Germany should not be tossed out<br>
entirely as an option, especially when you'd have people with deeper<br>
administrative connections in the CCC who can assist with any heavy lifting.<br>
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