<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Rejo Zenger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rejo@zenger.nl" target="_blank">rejo@zenger.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">++ 05/04/14 22:28 +0100 - Amran:<br>
<div>>That's the more interesting point: I don't see why you don't want to<br></div>
build such an place in a more urban area. Actually, one of those places<br>
I know of, is located in a city (unfortunately in Dutch only):<br>
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"Een van de bekendste projecten van Atelier Van Lieshout is de<br>
oprichting van AVL-Ville, 2001, een culturele vrijstaat in de haven<br>
van Rotterdam, met een eigen grondwet en een eigen zelfvoorzienende<br>
economie, met landbouw, medische zorg en een restaurant, maar ook een<br>
werkplaats voor wapens - de vrijstaat had immers ook een leger nodig."<br>
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That's located in Rotterdam-West, far from being remote.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>whilst you are right in so far as a TAZ/PAZ can be created anywhere, the devil is in the detail; you're comparing two different cultures and intents. there are other factors too - such as external tolerance. artist vrijstaat/plaats are a known quantity in NL. hackercamps really arent.<br>
<br></div><div>nick's response starts to cover it; the remoteness adds to the camaraderie, but its the vivid change-of-setting-for-a-week and deeply ephemeral nature which really makes the thing shine. <br><br>(and then theres the cynical view that since some of the activities of our culture are seen as negative, and its best to keep them away from the limelight)<br>
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