<p dir="ltr">Hi there.</p>
<p dir="ltr"> We'll be coming in an Opel meriva minivan from bulgaria to join the camp. We might have a possibility to pick the tent up. I don't want to promise anything yet, just asking how big is the tent packed. Maybe a trailer would be awesome?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Br</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sascha</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 28, 2015 12:49 AM, "Marcel van der Peijl" <<a href="mailto:bigmac@xs4all.nl">bigmac@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>dates for camp are not ideal for me – camp is including monday, but that
day school starts again for my 3 kids. This leaves me with a bunch of options,
none of which are very optimal</div>
<div>- leave camp sunday afternoon already</div>
<div>- leave saturday with kids, return sunday without kids (250 euro on gas
cost and 14 hours of driving, ugh)</div>
<div>- not bring kids at all (but they want to come)</div>
<div>- put kids on the train in Berlin saturday or sunday and hope they make it
to Amsterdam unattended</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Because of this I have not committed to the schedule yet. I intend to be
there for buildup from monday anyway.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Transport of stuff is an issue; our gear is in Czech republic right now;
Daan could possibly retrieve it upon his next visit there and take things to
Amsterdam area (assuming Frantisek may not make it and drive the german
hackerbus to get that stuff).</div>
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<div>Daan is supposedly staying until breakdown (tuesday minimum) and will ship
stuff, but, can not transport too much himsef.</div>
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<div>I committed to renting that tent but can not transport it, I assume (many
wooden poles). I also have a sink here (Amsterdam area) which is kind of
problematic to take to camp with all my kids and camping gear.</div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Any trucks going past Amsterdam and taking stuff back to
Amsterdam perhaps for orga?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Marcel</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="cookingroffa@gmail.com" href="mailto:cookingroffa@gmail.com" target="_blank">Cooking Roffa</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 27, 2015 5:38 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="algoldor@foodhackingbase.org" href="mailto:algoldor@foodhackingbase.org" target="_blank">Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: who is in to keep the ball rolling transfer of
responsibilities and glory</div></div></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all,
<div>Thank you for your email Frantisek. I will go into more detail later, but I
for now want to emphasize that I'm only considering being the coordinator. I
haven't decided yet.</div>
<div>I'll get back to you all later :-)</div>
<div>Greetings,</div>
<div>Lotte</div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-27 13:28 GMT+01:00 Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:algoldor@foodhackingbase.org" target="_blank">algoldor@foodhackingbase.org</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">Hi
to all and Lotte,<br>I will answer in the text as ### hoping that more people
will do so quickly so we can wrap up this one and set up the orga team for the
CCC camp event. As mentioned before my phasing out is on, comments are
comments and recommendations.<br><br>On 2015-03-20 01:25, Cooking Roffa
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">Hi
all,<br><br>Trying to push the ball a bit here to keep it rolling :-)<br>If
I read it correctly the two main questions in Frantisek's email<br>are: who
wants to be the FHB "main engine" and what are our "rules of<br>engagement"
so I'll adress those two topics.<br></blockquote><br>### Yes these are my main
questions.<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">"main
engine"<br>I have been giving this a lot of thought. I really would like for
the<br>FHB to be at CCC2015, and someone will have to take on the role
as<br>"main engine" to make that happen. I'm considering to take up
that<br>role, though I know that this can be quite demanding. Also, my
only<br>experience with the FBH as one of the FHB folks is on 31C3.<br>I
will most certainly need a lot if help if I would decide to do
it.<br></blockquote><br>### If you willing to take up the job you got it seems
to me, short and simple :-) now the disclaimers :-) :-). We need to prepare
for the CCC camp in advance, later on the ground, run the event and wrap up
after the event. The preparations during the spring and early summer can and I
would suggest should be done within the orga team with people taking different
roles as you suggested before on our wiki page dedicated to the
event<br><br><a href="https://foodhackingbase.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp_2015" target="_blank">https://foodhackingbase.org/<u></u>wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp_<u></u>2015</a><br><br>I
would recommend based on previous discussions with people and experience to
try to establish "main orga" consisting of 2-4 people or so for the future
events avoiding the "main coordinator" = one main person, that was major
possible point of failure in the past with me. If that could be set good, if
not well than we will have to have one person in charge as before and in this
case you and we will see in the future. To my knowledge at the current moment
Lotte is the only person who is considering to be full time around fhb on the
ground, can promise under "reasonable conditions" to be there = really can
make it to the camp, was involved with fhb before at 31c3 a lot and knows
already several people from the group. This means that at the moment she is
the only one to who can actually be the "main" person on the ground, so if
that stays "she got the position" right? :-) No one objected so far. Now note
from me - if I can come and Lotte is willing to collaborate (which we have to
discuss everybody has different style etc.), I'll be happy to be another "main
orga person" involved on the ground. For preparations I'm definitely in if
people are OK with that. However as voiced before I think my main task should
be to phase out sooner or later becoming one of the many and I do not and
should not be any longer "the one main person". Still this event if I can be
around I want to be involved fully hoping that I can skip 32c3 leaving fhb to
get more independent and sustainable based on the people involved but the
process of transition started already. Lets be honest camp is fun and I do not
want to miss it in a big way :-)<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">So
before I decide I would like to have some input from you.<br><br>First and
foremost: would you be ok with me being "main engine"? And<br>please: no
polite answers here.<br></blockquote><br>### No one objected = yes. For the
preparations are you OK to be one of the main orga? On the ground you are the
only one to be the main person at the moment, I'm happy to couple with you if
I can make it and you are OK with that. However so far you would be the "one"
congratulations.<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">If
so, my other questions
are:<br><br> * Is anyone else
interested in being "main engine"?<br></blockquote><br>### One of the
cylinders yes, no longer the whole engine applies to the future events
too.<br><br> * Would you like to
participate in organising FHB on CCC2015 and if<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">so,
what role would you see for yourself? Will you be available for<br>helping
out before the event also and if so, what would you prefer
to<br>do?<br></blockquote><br>### I'll update the wiki concerning the
positions which I'm into. So far I can promise two to three months of being
one of the main orga helping to organize for the event, taking up what
necessary and several other jobs which I'm into. Examples may be getting in
touch with people who I know they did workshops with us before and asking them
about their participation at CCC camp, making list of their contacts, well the
things which I did before and I enjoyed. No finances for me please, not
treasurer, I still need to transfer funds to Marcel ...<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">(please
check the roles I put on the wiki, it might be a bit overdone<br>for our
small group but I think it would help the new "main engine" to<br>know who
will be available for what<br><a href="https://foodhackingbase.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp_2015#Team_Meta" target="_blank">https://foodhackingbase.org/<u></u>wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp_<u></u>2015#Team_Meta</a><br>[3])<br></blockquote><br>###
The "jobs" will clear itself up during time we just need to fill it up and
start to work on that.<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">"rules
of engagement"<br>For me it goes without saying that "be excellent to each
other" should<br>be our main rule. I'm not sure if it should be the only
rule, but<br>that's because I am not sure what we consider "rules". For
example,<br>one of the things I have been thinking about is to make a simple
set<br>of 'rules' for non FHB folks who want to do something in the FHB
(be<br>that organising a workshop, cooking, or something else). We might
not<br>want to call those rules though.<br></blockquote><br>### I took that
one from my involvement at Noisebridge at San Francisco and personal
experience. I called that rule and the rest guidelines to make distinction of
what we are really insisting on and what we are considering to "discuss". How
we continue is up to the group, definitely more "guidelines" and better
structure is necessary. We should put together and discuss what these
guidelines should be.<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">And
yes, I would very much like to continue the consensus style
of<br>decisions.<br></blockquote><br>### Lovely, happy :-)<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">So
please let me know your thoughts and give the ball a little
push<br>:-)<br></blockquote><br>### Did my homework, at lest the first part I
hope.<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">Greetings
from Rotterdam,<br><br>Lotte<br></blockquote><br>### Hope to see Rotterdam in
the summer, enjoy it,<br><br>### From Jeju greets,<br><br>###
Frantisek<br><br>### PS Cut down the recipients so it doesn't end up with me
as the list moderator - well or Christian, he newly volunteered :-)<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">2015-03-13
13:11 GMT+01:00 Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br><<a href="mailto:algoldor@foodhackingbase.org" target="_blank">algoldor@foodhackingbase.org</a>><u></u>:<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">Hi
to all,<br>in a simple words the time has come when the transformation of
Food<br>Hacking Base (fhb) organization is needed. I've invited many of
you<br>in the past to become more active and take your "share of glory",
by<br>"formal personal invitations". Things started to become much
more<br>group run in the past, now it's time to complete the process with
me<br>stepping aside from the position of "main engine" desiring to
become<br>"one of the many" fhb folks. As some of you know, I may not be
able<br>to attend CCC camp because of issues here in Korea (ask me for
more<br>info if you need it), the situation will clear up by May or
June<br>latest. Till than we need to prepare like I may not be there in
the<br>summer and possibly later.<br><br>I would like actively help to
transfer my share of knowledge,<br>experience, contacts etc. to the group.
It is not really essential<br>to be honest it is rather for my good
feeling and "happy<br>continuation" and well I want to see that we can do
it the nice way.<br>From the beginning of this project I hoped that I can
become one<br>day, sooner better, "one of the many" involved, rather than
"the<br>one" which is as it started. There will be some hurts during
this<br>process because in a way it is partly my baby, however it grew
into<br>something much more by work of you, it was done together. It
seems<br>to me that soon I should take deliberately time off for event or
two<br>to complete this process, that was the plan for few years
already<br>and now a must maybe.<br><br>I would like to ask if the formal
style of "be excellent to each<br>other" as our only rule or guideline if
you like is OK with the<br>others? Next would be the agreement or likeness
to continue with<br>consensus style of decisions which we exercised since
OHM2013 within<br>the orga (people involved with preparations) group. What
do you<br>think about these two points which I personally took as of
main<br>importance for me?<br><br>I've some suggestions to make concerning
the transition process,<br>how to shape the things etc. but I'll wait for
the others to talk<br>first and my input will come later on.<br><br>Please
check the page which Lotte made on our wiki it is to become<br>road map
for the CCC camp 2015 and hopefully template for our
next<br>events.<br><br><a href="https://foodhackingbase.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp_2015" target="_blank">https://foodhackingbase.org/<u></u>wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp_<u></u>2015</a>
[1]<br><br>Edit, comment, post to the mailing list, use our IRC
channel,<br>Facebook group, get involved in other words.<br><br>Talk to
you all soon and please keep the ball rolling!<br><br>Sincerely from
Jeju,<br><br>Frantisek<br><br>--<br>Frantisek Algoldor
Apfelbeck<br><br>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker<br><br><a href="http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org" target="_blank">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.<u></u>org</a>
[2]<br><br>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas
Karamchand<br>Gandhi<br><br>Disclaimer - there are other people who have
access to this email<br>account, please be aware of that it is part of the
design. For<br>"highly private communication" use <a href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank">algoldor@yahoo.com</a><br></blockquote><br><br><br>Links:<br>------<br>[1]
<a href="https://foodhackingbase.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp_2015" target="_blank">https://foodhackingbase.org/<u></u>wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp_<u></u>2015</a><br>[2]
<a href="http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org" target="_blank">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.<u></u>org</a><br>[3] <a href="https://foodhackingbase.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp_2015#Team_Meta" target="_blank">https://foodhackingbase.org/<u></u>wiki/Chaos_Communication_Camp_<u></u>2015#Team_Meta</a><span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><span><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>Frantisek Algoldor
Apfelbeck<br><br>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker<br><br><a href="http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org" target="_blank">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.<u></u>org</a><br><br>"There is no
way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand
Gandhi<br><br><br>Disclaimer - there are other people who have access to this
email account, please be aware of that it is part of the design. For "highly
private communication" use <a href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank">algoldor@yahoo.com</a><br></font></span></blockquote></div>
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