Hi Frantisek and others,<div><br></div><div>My grains weigh 40 g, just as they did when I started 3 weeks ago. I put them in 250 g water with 2/3 tbsp raw sugar, changed every second or third day.</div><div><br></div>Kr<span></span><br>
<div>Daniel<br><br>On Tuesday, March 11, 2014, Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck <<a href="mailto:algoldor@foodhackingbase.org">algoldor@foodhackingbase.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Excellent Daniel!<br>
I wonder if you have a chance (and also the others) to measure the weight of the grains so you could more easily see if they are growing properly = increasing in amount/weight, of course checking by eye sight is fine too but sometimes hard to remember ... If several of us keep notes for few weeks we can get quite nice data/idea what is going on and what works well for the culture. I should be harvesting my cultures tomorrow, I plan to make a post on our brand new forum which Steffen put together then<br>
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<a href="http://lab.foodhackingbase.org/" target="_blank">http://lab.foodhackingbase.<u></u>org/</a><br>
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I put also link to it on our wiki under How to get in touch<br>
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<a href="https://foodhackingbase.org/wiki/How_to_get_in_touch" target="_blank">https://foodhackingbase.org/<u></u>wiki/How_to_get_in_touch</a><br>
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I hope it is OK Steffen, or shall we keep it off for now yet?<br>
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Talk to you all soon, I've another manual hardworking day behind me, waiting for the rain = off time = more posting here :-)<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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FAA<br>
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On 2014-03-11 00:20, Daniel Kolbus wrote:<br>
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Hi all, <br>
<br>
Just wanted to give an update on my issue with water kefir grains that<br>
didn't work. Well, I would say they work pretty OK now. I added some<br>
dried fruit and a slight knife edge baking soda and a few tiny bits of<br>
lemon to the grain solution. After a few days there were some bubbles<br>
and the taste was less sweet. I continued with the second fermentation<br>
without grains containing dried fruit and lemon in a sealed bottle and<br>
it resulted in a fizzy drink with grape tone after a few days. I guess<br>
I succeeded!?<br>
<br>
In addition, I continue with my fermented porridge originally made<br>
from the water kefir grain supernatant. I has a slight taste of sour<br>
milk but the texture is of course more grainy (mix of oat, rye, spelt<br>
and barley). I eat it cold for breakfast together with some sweet<br>
topping and crunched nuts. Works well for me!<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Daniel <br>
<br>
On Saturday, March 1, 2014, Daniel Kolbus <<a>kolbus.daniel@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
Regarding the calcium supplements and my struggle to get a<br>
well-working water kefir:<br>
<br>
I read at (<a href="http://www.yemoos.com/faqwaintro.html" target="_blank">http://www.yemoos.com/<u></u>faqwaintro.html</a> [1]) that one<br>
reason for adding lemon is that it contains calcium, which<br>
apparently is needed in some cases with water kefir cultures.<br>
Another thing is that the pH is lowered, which may help the culture<br>
at least in the beginning. Dried fruits apparently contain other<br>
nutrients that the kefir grains may need. As my grains havenīt<br>
started to multiply or produce any mentionable probiotic drink<br>
during the first month of water+raw sugar culture I started adding<br>
dried fruits and yesterday baking soda. Letīs see if that will be<br>
beneficial, today the taste was slightly sweet metallic, but it<br>
might as well come from the dried apricot. Any ideas would be<br>
helpful. The water is medium hard (8), do not contain that much<br>
chlorine and the temp. is around 22 degr.<br>
<br>
An interesting thing was that I used the waste liquid from one<br>
passage as a starter in another project - fermented porridge. I mix<br>
oat and rye grains with the waste kefir liquid + water and deem to<br>
my surprise - after 24 hours I had a sour, fermented product. So,<br>
there seem to be activity in the waste liquid after all - but it<br>
apparently likes the oat/rye milieu better than the raw sugar<br>
milieu.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Daniel<br>
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2014-03-01 5:37 GMT+01:00 Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br>
<<a>algoldor@foodhackingbase.org</a>>:<br>
Thanks for the emails, answers in the text as ### to the things<br>
which I feel relevant to me :-)<br>
<br>
On 2014-03-01 06:42, Steffen Beyer wrote:<br>
Hello all,<br>
<br>
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 00:17:18 +0900, <a>algoldor@foodhackingbase.org</a><br>
wrote:<br>
I'll make a short wiki page about makgeolli which<br>
is traditional Korean rice alcoholic beverage, upload it to the<br>
wiki,<br>
manual form is already there in I think proper section (Steffen was<br>
taking care about that) and lets play with that as an example how<br>
to<br>
link it, tag it etc. that may be the simplest way after that we can<br>
apply it to the rest keeping to some "structure", what do you<br>
think?<br>
<br>
Good idea.<br>
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### I'll try to make the article today or tomorrow, sorry for the<br>
delay.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<a href="http://design.arkreactor.com/" target="_blank">http://design.arkreactor.com/</a> [2]<br>
<br>
or we can go for some alternative, does anyone know about any<br>
preferably open source?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
The system is Discourseđ, as far as I can see, a Ruby on Rails<br>
application. Not a bad choice in comparison to PHP. ,)<br>
<br>
Currently we have a wiki and two mailing lists, one at<br>
<a href="http://hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">hackerspaces.org</a> [3]<br>
and a new one (incubator) at our new host, Uberspace. We should<br>
think a<br>
moment where to go from here. The wiki is fine for now, but<br>
regarding<br>
forum/mailing list I see two user friendly options:<br>
<br>
1. Stick to mailing lists, offer a web interface for reading (and<br>
possibly writing)<br>
<br>
2. Switch to a web forum, users can subscribe to get email<br>
notifications<br>
<br>
Basically I would prefer the first option, providing mailing lists<br>
to<br>
power users, web access for the rest of us. In any way, we should<br>
try<br>
to get a tight integration with MediaWiki, i.e. at least<br>
Single-Sign-On, instead of running multiple separate systems.<br>
</blockquote>
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### I like mailing list as a media for communication, however<br>
concerning answering questions especially about fermentations and<br>
keeping easy to access history of these topic specific conversations<br>
(and reopening them) the forum seems to me really nice.<br>
<br>
### Could you give me some example of nice web interface for reading<br>
the mail posts? The forum which I would like to see to happen in the<br>
future is likely to take time to establish and I do not want to<br>
jeopardize our current projects with something too big to chew, so<br>
little by little. I think we have several months to play with media<br>
wiki etc. before we will make it all nice and shiny including links to<br>
our activities on other portals etc. that is just my opinion. If we<br>
find time for more serious discussion about the forums before 31c3<br>
where we could go through it together that would be nice. I wanted<br>
more or less check what is the situation out there and if there is not<br>
some easy to use open source well supported alternative already which<br>
would be simple to integrate. It looks like that is not really the<br>
case now so, lets give it time.<br>
<br>
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Software choices seem rather limited, suggestions welcome.<br>
<br>
(...time passes...)<br>
<br>
Just read a bit more about Discourse. It seems to support replying<br>
via<br>
email and features pluggable authentication modules, although there<br>
is<br>
none for Mediawiki, yet.<br>
<br>
So this might be the way to go...?<br>
<br>
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By the way before I run away we need as a group to talk about how<br>
to<br>
properly cultivate the ginger beer plant and water kefir biofilm<br>
polycultures.<br>
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I'm using the GBP from <a href="http://gingerbeerplant.net" target="_blank">gingerbeerplant.net</a> [4] here, which worked<br>
fine so<br>
far for various brews. Usually I let it ferment openly for three<br>
days,<br>
then one day in bottles.<br>
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### I did my first fermentation after coming back from Europe, one<br>
batch of water kefir (51 g of culture in 5 l of brew) and one batch of<br>
ginger beer plant (194 g of culture in 5 l of brew). Both were 7%<br>
(w/v; 350 g of light brown sugar) and 0.25 (w/v; 12.5 g) of black tea.<br>
They were ready for bottling after 4 days of fermentation needing<br>
another two days of secondary fermentation.<br>
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Links:<br>
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[1] <a href="http://www.yemoos.com/faqwaintro.html" target="_blank">http://www.yemoos.com/<u></u>faqwaintro.html</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://design.arkreactor.com/" target="_blank">http://design.arkreactor.com/</a><br>
[3] <a href="http://hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org</a><br>
[4] <a href="http://gingerbeerplant.net" target="_blank">http://gingerbeerplant.net</a><br>
</blockquote>
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-- <br>
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br>
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biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker<br>
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