Hi all, <div><br></div><div>Just wanted to give an update on my issue with water kefir grains that didn't work. Well, I would say they work pretty OK now. I added some dried fruit and a slight knife edge baking soda and a few tiny bits of lemon to the grain solution. After a few days there were some bubbles and the taste was less sweet. I continued with the second fermentation without grains containing dried fruit and lemon in a sealed bottle and it resulted in a fizzy drink with grape tone after a few days. I guess I succeeded!?</div>
<div><br></div><div>In addition, I continue with my fermented porridge originally made from the water kefir grain supernatant. I has a slight taste of sour milk but the texture is of course more grainy (mix of oat, rye, spelt and barley). I eat it cold for breakfast together with some sweet topping and crunched nuts. Works well for me!<span></span></div>
<div></div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Daniel <br><br>On Saturday, March 1, 2014, Daniel Kolbus <<a href="mailto:kolbus.daniel@gmail.com">kolbus.daniel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi all,<br><br></div>Regarding the calcium supplements and my struggle to get a well-working water kefir: <br><br></div>I read at (<a href="http://www.yemoos.com/faqwaintro.html" target="_blank">http://www.yemoos.com/faqwaintro.html</a>) that one reason for adding lemon is that it contains calcium, which apparently is needed in some cases with water kefir cultures. Another thing is that the pH is lowered, which may help the culture at least in the beginning. Dried fruits apparently contain other nutrients that the kefir grains may need. As my grains havenīt started to multiply or produce any mentionable probiotic drink during the first month of water+raw sugar culture I started adding dried fruits and yesterday baking soda. Letīs see if that will be beneficial, today the taste was slightly sweet metallic, but it might as well come from the dried apricot. Any ideas would be helpful. The water is medium hard (8), do not contain that much chlorine and the temp. is around 22 degr. <br>
</div><br>An interesting thing was that I used the waste liquid from one passage as a starter in another project - fermented porridge. I mix oat and rye grains with the waste kefir liquid + water and deem to my surprise - after 24 hours I had a sour, fermented product. So, there seem to be activity in the waste liquid after all - but it apparently likes the oat/rye milieu better than the raw sugar milieu. <br>
<br></div>Regards, <br>Daniel <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-03-01 5:37 GMT+01:00 Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','algoldor@foodhackingbase.org');" target="_blank">algoldor@foodhackingbase.org</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks for the emails, answers in the text as ### to the things which I feel relevant to me :-)<br>
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On 2014-03-01 06:42, Steffen Beyer wrote:<br>
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Hello all,<div><br>
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 00:17:18 +0900, <a>algoldor@foodhackingbase.org</a> wrote:<br>
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I'll make a short wiki page about makgeolli which<br>
is traditional Korean rice alcoholic beverage, upload it to the wiki,<br>
manual form is already there in I think proper section (Steffen was<br>
taking care about that) and lets play with that as an example how to<br>
link it, tag it etc. that may be the simplest way after that we can<br>
apply it to the rest keeping to some "structure", what do you think?<br>
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Good idea.<br>
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### I'll try to make the article today or tomorrow, sorry for the delay.<br>
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<a href="http://design.arkreactor.com/" target="_blank">http://design.arkreactor.com/</a><br>
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or we can go for some alternative, does anyone know about any<br>
preferably open source?<br>
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The system is Discourseđ, as far as I can see, a Ruby on Rails<br>
application. Not a bad choice in comparison to PHP. ,)<br>
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Currently we have a wiki and two mailing lists, one at <a href="http://hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">hackerspaces.org</a><br>
and a new one (incubator) at our new host, Uberspace. We should think a<br>
moment where to go from here. The wiki is fine for now, but regarding<br>
forum/mailing list I see two user friendly options:<br>
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1. Stick to mailing lists, offer a web interface for reading (and<br>
possibly writing)<br>
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2. Switch to a web forum, users can subscribe to get email notifications<br>
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Basically I would prefer the first option, providing mailing lists to<br>
power users, web access for the rest of us. In any way, we should try<br>
to get a tight integration with MediaWiki, i.e. at least<br>
Single-Sign-On, instead of running multiple separate systems.<br>
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### I like mailing list as a media for communication, however concerning answering questions especially about fermentations and keeping easy to access history of these topic specific conversations (and reopening them) the forum seems to me really nice.<br>
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### Could you give me some example of nice web interface for reading the mail posts? The forum which I would like to see to happen in the future is likely to take time to establish and I do not want to jeopardize our current projects with something too big to chew, so little by little. I think we have several months to play with media wiki etc. before we will make it all nice and shiny including links to our activities on other portals etc. that is just my opinion. If we find time for more serious discussion about the forums before 31c3 where we could go through it together that would be nice. I wanted more or less check what is the situation out there and if there is not some easy to use open source well supported alternative already which would be simple to integrate. It looks like that is not really the case now so, lets give it time.<br>
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Software choices seem rather limited, suggestions welcome.<br>
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(...time passes...)<br>
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Just read a bit more about Discourse. It seems to support replying via<br>
email and features pluggable authentication modules, although there is<br>
none for Mediawiki, yet.<br>
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So this might be the way to go...?<div><br>
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By the way before I run away we need as a group to talk about how to<br>
properly cultivate the ginger beer plant and water kefir biofilm<br>
polycultures.<br>
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I'm using the GBP from <a href="http://gingerbeerplant.net" target="_blank">gingerbeerplant.net</a> here, which worked fine so<br>
far for various brews. Usually I let it ferment openly for three days,<br>
then one day in bottles.<br>
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### I did my first fermentation after coming back from Europe, one batch of water kefir (51 g of culture in 5 l of brew) and one batch of ginger beer plant (194 g of culture in 5 l of brew). Both were 7% (w/v; 350 g of light brown sugar) and 0.25 (w/v; 12.5 g) of black tea. They were ready for bottling after 4 days of fermentation needing another two days of secondary fermentation.</blockquote>
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