<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>In summary, that sounds like a plan, I will keep in touch and see what I can do on my side within a week, mostly preparations I guess. <br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I will check on the Neurospora starters too.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old
style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Talk to you soon and I'm looking forward to hear more on your progress.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Sincerely,<br></span></div><div> </div><div>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck</div><div><br><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><div><br></div><div>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</div><div><br><br></div><div>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br></div><br> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new
roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Benjamin Kiessling <mittagessen@l.unchti.me><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Dan MERC <dan@merc.cz>; Arnd Marijnissen <contact@sociallife.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 4, 2013 4:29 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [foodhackingbase] Looking for red Oncom starter<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>Hi,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 10/03, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:<br clear="none">> Would you mind to share the link to "standard industrial starter from<br clear="none">> Belgium" (for red oncom)? I wonder what is the link to "that fancy FAO<br
clear="none">> document" which you use for your experiment, I would like to have a<br clear="none">> look on it.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I apologize for not expressing myself clearly. I'm using standard<br clear="none">starter (Rhizopus) for my vanilla tempeh. Still haven't found a source<br clear="none">for Neurospora, although I'm going to ask some guys in the biology<br clear="none">department if they happen to know a source of Neurospora intermedia, as<br clear="none">the whole genus is often used in the field.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Now concerning the incubator. Do you plan to make a blog? If so I<br clear="none">> would really like to fallow that and see which way do you go. I need<br clear="none">> to build my incubator in next few weeks too because the soybean<br clear="none">> ferment making season is coming and I have also few experiments which<br clear="none">> I need to run + of course the
"experimental incubator project" which I<br clear="none">> need to dedicate now more time to. So if you are going to work on<br clear="none">> this, I would love to fallow and help, any post here would be<br clear="none">> appreciated. Because of my low electronic programming skills I would<br clear="none">> like to use Arduino and for heating I'm considering using Peltier<br clear="none">> device, I hope that I can get bit more info on the subject from Lars,<br clear="none">> Mic or Arnd (copied), Lars had functional cooling box at OHM 2013<br clear="none">> based on peltiers. I used before peltier for my incubator (electronic<br clear="none">> and programming done by someone else, hardware was done by me),<br clear="none">> heating up to 42C was OK, cooling not at all (two different pelties,<br clear="none">> one for cooling, one for heating).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Yeah, one of the benefits of using a fridge is
that cooling is taken<br clear="none">care of. Unfortunately, food fridges are designed to have different<br clear="none">temperature zones when fully operational, so getting an uniform<br clear="none">temperature distribution without resorting to fans will probably be an<br clear="none">issue.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Anyway if you would be sharing your time and knowledge on this project<br clear="none">> that would be great because it would definitely motivate at least me,<br clear="none">> I like to work with people, not alone :-) (at least not for long<br clear="none">> time). I will be creating some wiki and blog about that too, or<br clear="none">> continue with the ones which I used before, we will see what would be<br clear="none">> proffered by others if they are ready to jump in.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I'll get the fridge next week and we'll probably whip up some basic<br clear="none">prototype the week
after that. I'd prefer to find out if this approach<br clear="none">has any potential at all before sharing stuff.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> PS There are several people who I can get in touch with who has<br clear="none">> experience with electronics and programming and some of them would<br clear="none">> chip some time and energy in from time to time too, but not a project<br clear="none">> leaders at the moment I'm afraid. Food Hacking Base (fhb) could maybe<br clear="none">> chip in some cash or other resources.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Money isn't really an issue here. I try not to expend resources beyond<br clear="none">the bare minimum but we've got plenty of funds for food-hacking from our<br clear="none">weekly Vokue ([0])<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Regards,<br clear="none">Ben<br clear="none"><br clear="none">[0] <a shape="rect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volxkuche"
target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volxkuche</a><div class="yqt4054353990" id="yqtfd04894"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org/" target="_blank">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand<br clear="none">> Gandhi<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> ________________________________<br clear="none">> From: Benjamin Kiessling <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mittagessen@l.unchti.me" href="mailto:mittagessen@l.unchti.me">mittagessen@l.unchti.me</a>><br
clear="none">> To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>> <br clear="none">> Cc: Dan MERC <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dan@merc.cz" href="mailto:dan@merc.cz">dan@merc.cz</a>>; Food Hacking Hackerspaces org Food Hacking Hackerspaces org <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:foodhacking@lists.hackerspaces.org" href="mailto:foodhacking@lists.hackerspaces.org">foodhacking@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>> <br clear="none">> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:36 PM<br clear="none">> Subject: Re: [foodhackingbase] Looking for red Oncom starter<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hi,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On 10/01, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:<br clear="none">> > Hi Ben and all, I'm both interested in building the device to make the<br clear="none">> > fermentations more easy - have
been talking about that to hacker<br clear="none">> > community for least few years (Experimental incubator project)<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <a shape="rect" href="http://frantisekapfelbeck.org/doku.php?id=experimental_incubator" target="_blank">http://frantisekapfelbeck.org/doku.php?id=experimental_incubator</a><br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <a shape="rect" href="http://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/Fermentation_controller" target="_blank">http://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/Fermentation_controller</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> The current plan is to use an old fridge, install some heating elements,<br clear="none">> and control them and the compressor using a microcontroller. I'm a bit<br clear="none">> worried about condensation and uniform temperature distribution, but I<br clear="none">> believe it to be an inexpensive, viable prototype for first tests.<br clear="none">>
<br clear="none">> > and I want to dedicate more time to the soy bean ferments now too,<br clear="none">> > tempeh is one of them, otherwise traditional Korean ferments and<br clear="none">> > Japanese natto. I have some tempeh starter from Dan Merc (who I copied<br clear="none">> > on the email) which I think is however Rhizopus oligosporus based<br clear="none">> > (which is interestingly mentioned as contamination for this culture on<br clear="none">> > one wiki article - and simultaneously being mentioned as a starter for<br clear="none">> > black oncom :-)) rather than Neurospora. Can you clarify it Dan? And I<br clear="none">> > wonder if you could share your supplier. <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Black oncom is basically tempeh (using Rhizopus) which has been<br clear="none">> deliberatively brought create fruiting bodies by lowering the<br clear="none">> temperature toward the
end of the production cycle. At least that's what<br clear="none">> this fancy FAO document I found says. Red/Orange Oncom always uses<br clear="none">> Neurospora as far as I know. There isn't really that much information<br clear="none">> about it available on the net apart from some academic papers.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> > I'm living now in Korea so chances are to get it somewhere around (but<br clear="none">> > not really in the country) and send it to Europe. If you are not in a<br clear="none">> > hurry and coming to 30c3 or having someone who goes there, we will do<br clear="none">> > another culture exchange under food hacking base so I should be able<br clear="none">> > to send you something, we can put it on the list.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> That would be awesome. I'm not sure if I'll be able to attend 30c3 but<br clear="none">> there are always some guys from
around here who go.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> > Please let us know what are your plans, I'm now really looking for the<br clear="none">> > people who would like to both (or one of) - make the experimental<br clear="none">> > incubator happen and would be ready to share and experiment with the<br clear="none">> > soy beans ferments of various types - it is much more fun to do these<br clear="none">> > things together I think and sharing the knowledge (and resources of<br clear="none">> > course).<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I'll likely build the incubator over the next few weeks and I'm running<br clear="none">> my first batch of soy tempeh right now. I'm using standard industrial<br clear="none">> starter from Belgium, nothing fancy, to get a grip on the process again.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Regards,<br clear="none">>
Ben</div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>