<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Hi to all,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Final cheaper version & contributions.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">We changed the proposal for the cold room bringing the costs down to 850 eu if we have to buy air conditioning unit, down to 600 eu if we can borrow it for the event from someone. We will be building the
walls and roof directly from polystyrene. Chip boards and pallets for floors.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><a href="https://ohm2013.org/wiki/Village:Food_Hacking_Base/Project/Cold_room">https://ohm2013.org/wiki/Village:Food_Hacking_Base/Project/Cold_room</a><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;">I would like to know who would be interested in contributing towards the build up, there should be quite pretty decent amount of place inside, we as food hacking base would be aiming to use below 25% and we would build it up (with help of anyone who wants to help). I think that the fhb can contribute at the moment max 150 eu, possibly more later on during the event but ...</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">We still need to find someone who will be willing to take up the challenge of hacking the air conditioning unit.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old
style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Please get in touch with me soon, I'll be hitting the ground on 23th so this should be decided before than.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.333333015441895px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Sincerely,</div><div></div><div> </div><div>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and
hacker</div><br><br><div>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</div><div><br><br></div><div>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br><br> <div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> OHM2013 discuss <discussion@ohm2013.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Food Hacking Hackerspaces org Food Hacking Hackerspaces org <foodhacking@lists.hackerspaces.org>; "attilla@attilla.nl" <attilla@attilla.nl>; "dineke@gmail.com" <dineke@gmail.com>; "frank@mclien.de" <frank@mclien.de>; "ruud@schramp.com" <ruud@schramp.com>;
"fenkt+ohmdiscuss@fenk.org" <fenkt+ohmdiscuss@fenk.org>; "hexayurt@gmail.com" <hexayurt@gmail.com>; "arjen@gendo.ch" <arjen@gendo.ch>; "gmc@ohm2013.org" <gmc@ohm2013.org>; "dreamingforward@gmail.com" <dreamingforward@gmail.com>; "remco@pipsworld.nl" <remco@pipsworld.nl>; "axol.otleon@me.com" <axol.otleon@me.com>; "cinnamon_de@yahoo.de" <cinnamon_de@yahoo.de>; "aldert@rotz.org" <aldert@rotz.org>; "eelco@ohm2013.org" <eelco@ohm2013.org>; "walter.van.holst@xs4all.nl" <walter.van.holst@xs4all.nl>; "luke@about.me" <luke@about.me>; "diggie@ohm2013.org" <diggie@ohm2013.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:50 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Discussion] cold room build up project<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>
<div id="yiv1085822215"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div><span>Hi to all,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color:transparent;">I was waiting for this moment for nearly three weeks. Food Hacking Base (fhb) crowed sourcing campaign reached the medium goal (1200 eu) so since now on every euro collected will go directly towards the hexayurt cold room project. We have another 42 hours.</span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style',
'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/food-hacking-base-at-ohm-2013">http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/food-hacking-base-at-ohm-2013</a><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I'm an optimist and we have 1000 EU cold room perk/reward in our campaign but in case that we do not collect the funds, what are your suggestions to make this happen? (we are really dedicated to make this to happen!)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>My one is to talk to the villages around the N1-5 quadrant and currently mentioned E field </span><span style="font-size:10pt;">(+ orga) (please do talk to me to + another parts of the camp ground) and</span><span style="font-size:10pt;"> </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">getting around 1300-1500 eu to build it up and some agreements about tolls needed (we are short on that at the moment but that will be not a problem). </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-size:13px;font-family:'bookman
old style', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span style="background-color:transparent;">I know it is not exactly the "Capablanca" strategy but it is simple and straight. Under this conditions I think it would be fair to decrease the amount of space for fhb to less than 50% maybe to 25% (please mind we still plan to share our space with general public), when we still plan to be coordinating the build up having two persons on the ground since the day one of the open ground to the public. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>I would like to know your opinions. Please note that I leave Korea next Sunday for Amsterdam, arriving on 15th of July, so between 14-16/7 my online presence will be strongly limited. After that I will send you hi from Technologia Incognita.</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div><br></div><div>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">PS Disclaimer (I think I have never used it before), up to now, we as a Food Hacking Base (fhb) were fine to give people involved a chance to run different projects and workshops to cover at least part of their spending in order to make it for the events like CCC camps, OHM 2013 et cetera. This is still the case so our section of the cold room would be partly designed to allow for that. And yes you guess right I as brewer am on the list. I can not think about any other "controversial" issues right now, maybe painting it green so people who like blue can complain? (but no the bicycle shed again please, the memory of some Noisebridge discussion is still hunting me ... (love the place by the way)).</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color:
transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><br><div>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</div><div><br><br></div><div>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br><br> <div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dineke <dineke@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> OHM2013 discuss <discussion@ohm2013.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:07 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Discussion] cold room build up project<br> </font> </div> <div
class="yiv1085822215y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv1085822215"><div dir="ltr">don't forget the old scouting-solution of using damp clothes which vaporize and so take out the warmth of what is below it!<div><br></div><div>I really think that can make a difference</div><div class="yiv1085822215gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="yiv1085822215gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv1085822215gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif;"><div><span>Hi to all,</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;">
<span>Sorry for the late reply, I have got busy with our crowd sourcing campaign, which the Cold Room is part of.</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;">
<span><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><span>In short (more info about the cold room project is here):</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://ohm2013.org/wiki/Village:Food_Hacking_Base/Project/Cold_room">https://ohm2013.org/wiki/Village:Food_Hacking_Base/Project/Cold_room</a><br>
</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><span><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;">
<span>I have estimated the costs of 12' hexayurt cold room between </span><span style="color:rgb(35,31,32);font-family:galette-med-webfont,;font-size:15px;">€</span><span style="background-color:transparent;">1000-1500, closer to 1000 if we manage to loan the air-con, plus cut on some other staff. This is without external water protection layer (could be mylar reflective foil or just white paint), without any shelves and "entrance corridor" to decrease the escaping of the cold air (also the doors are considered just chip board). Also the EU pallet which would be used for the floor are assumed to be </span><span style="color:rgb(35,31,32);font-family:galette-med-webfont,;font-size:15px;">€</span><span style="background-color:transparent;">5 each which is just a guess at the moment (24=</span><span style="color:rgb(35,31,32);font-family:galette-med-webfont,;font-size:15px;">€</span><span
style="background-color:transparent;">120).</span></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;">
<span style="background-color:transparent;">So I would like to ask you if you can have a look on the proposal and the costing (I can share the 3D model made in Google Sketch UP) and think if it is a good guess, what did we miss and etc.</span></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:transparent;">If we do not get enough money on our campaign to cover also the cold room build up (it is our fhb delux option) I would be looking for a way how to get the cash somehow else because I really think this should be done.</span></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;">
<span style="background-color:transparent;">Talk to you all soon, </span></div><div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;">
<span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;">Sincerely,</span></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;">
<span style="background-color:transparent;">FAA</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br>
</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><span style="font-size:10pt;background-color:transparent;">Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck</span><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><br><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org/">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</a></div><div><br><br></div></div><div><div>
"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br><br> </div><div style="font-size:10pt;"> <div style="font-size:12pt;">
<div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"><div> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Koen Martens <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gmc@ohm2013.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gmc@ohm2013.org">gmc@ohm2013.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Frantisek Apfelbeck <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:discussion@ohm2013.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:discussion@ohm2013.org">discussion@ohm2013.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:discussion@ohm2013.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:discussion@ohm2013.org">discussion@ohm2013.org</a>> <br>
</div><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:25 AM<div><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Discussion] cold room build up project<br> </div></font> </div>
<div> <div><br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>Hi,<br><br>On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:05:26PM -0700, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:<br>> By the way how much does the EU pallets cost to rent/buy and return? What are<br>
> the policies? I think at CCC camp it was around 5 eu for a pallet to buy and 2<br>> eu to sell it back if not broken too much but I'm not sure about the numbers<br>> any more.<br><br>We are currently not planning on renting pallets.<br>
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