Well that isn't to say that we won't implement the dues system. If you have bills such as rent and utilities to cover then of course you need some sort of steady income that you can count on. It is possible to do with out that of course, but much more problematic and likely painful.<div>
<br></div><div>For our group, when we are ready to move into a space, we will of course have to have some form of commitment from the group in order to support such an undertaking. So what is our current "donations" that we're asking for will simply become our "dues" with the difference of the fact that they will be mandatory for membership and access. I'd have to say though, the point that I was more so trying to get at is no so much on the side of whether or not the space would have to go with one or the other, but a matter of what it is called during this early formation of the group to take and put a positive/motivational spin on all of it. That way we can hopefully get the biggest number of people contributing only while we have no space.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It is more of the careful wording and details of things like that that I was curious about other spaces doing to try and keep the whole cost of the space as upbeat as possible for the members.<br clear="all">
<br>Thanks,<br>Daniel<br><br>- Copying one is plagiarism, copying many is research.<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:40 AM, madstringer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:madstringer@denhac.org">madstringer@denhac.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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Hi!<br>
<br>
When we decided that we wanted to start a hackerspace in Denver, we<br>
figured out a budget, and then looked for a certain number of interested<br>
individuals to contribute "seed" money to get it going. We do use the<br>
"dues" system - the flip-side to your argument is that using the dues<br>
systems also really only attracts people who are truly interested in<br>
making things happen. I understand not wanting to scare people away, but<br>
i think that if you're going to be handing the finances of a non-profit<br>
(in my case), you're gonna need to be able to forecast out a certain<br>
number of months, plan purchases, and be sure that you can pay the rent<br>
and utilities on a space, not just for the current month, but for months<br>
to come. This is harder to do on a "donations" system. I think there's<br>
good and bad sides to each system, and that you need to decide which one<br>
fits you the best, based on your situation. If you don't have many<br>
expenses, or a space to maintain, I think maybe the donations model<br>
would work better for you....<br>
<br>
madstringer<br>
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<a href="mailto:madstringer@denhac.org">madstringer@denhac.org</a><br>
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On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, Dan Hess wrote:<br>
> So I was talking earlier today with Brimstone (Makers Local 256) about the<br>
> psychological aspects of the finances that we at Midsouth Makers have<br>
> encountered and it lead me to wondering what others might have for input on<br>
> this. I'd like to hear about any sort of "herding cats", "controlling the<br>
> masses", and psychological warfare type of situations, events, changes, or<br>
> anything else that other spaces have encountered. And hopefully after<br>
> reading our spaces encounter with it you'll grasp the idea a little better<br>
> of what I mean.<br>
><br>
> Let me preface this with we are still very much so in our infancy stage and<br>
> are learning by leaps and bounds every day.<br>
><br>
> In the very beginning, once we knew a financial goal that we would need to<br>
> hit in order to move into a place, we decided we would need to implement<br>
> some form of collections from the people showing up. I would assume that<br>
> almost every space hits that exact same point. Well we figured out that we<br>
> had X number of people coming, and we needed Y amount, so if we collected Z<br>
> from each of those people we would get there in a matter of 3 or 4 months.<br>
> So we decided we would see about starting some form of collection. What we<br>
> did was make the mistake of terming that collection as "dues" which gave it<br>
> a mandatory/required or else type of connotation. We paid the price as a<br>
> result of that too. We've spent quite a bit of time trying to recover from<br>
> the people that no longer show up likely due to that for the most part. The<br>
> response that we essentially got was that we were attempting to sell a<br>
> product that (and charge for it) that did not exist yet, and so people who<br>
> were not seeing the vision felt no need to pitch in. What we've resorted to<br>
> now is doing away with the term "dues" until there is an actual mandatory<br>
> aspect to it. Now we have our set goal and are requesting pledges/donations<br>
> in order to accomplish our goal, and that is exactly how we word it to all<br>
> our regulars. Any time we give an update on our goal we usually word it as<br>
> such "we are X number of donations of $45 away from our goal." This has<br>
> overall had a reasonable result on our group working very nice as motivation<br>
> and encouragement all without discouraging them or enticing them to run away<br>
> as a result of a mandatory monthly payment.<br>
><br>
> We've had a few other little things here and there, and I'm personally very<br>
> much so interested in other psychological concepts of handling the group<br>
> whether it be finance related or not, but I hope that the above helps to<br>
> explain the kind of input that I'm curious to hear about.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Daniel<br>
><br>
> - Copying one is plagiarism, copying many is research.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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