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<p>A much kinder reply than mine from the author.<br>
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<p>Dear Antonio,</p>
<p>I reply to you since I am not on the hackerspace mailing list,
if you want to forward my mail, its all fine with me.</p>
<p>I did not know this texts is not directly talking about
capitalism but its ok if you understand it like this. What this
article intends to say is that in times of crisis civil society
initiatives seem to be of utermost importance such aspeople who
heal or hackerspaces who take on their own responsibilty to
produce protective material for carers (since minimum was not
ensured by those who take decisions). Yet the people who take
over those responsibility do not seem to have any voice when it
comes to take decisions. <br>
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<p>And possibly their voices would be much more usefull to us
right now then the voices of the people in power who take over
our democracies right now.</p>
<p>The last phrase you are citing comes from the latest Mbembe
book "Brutalism", its an amazing understanding of technological
society seen from Africa, and does use the notion of vibratory
act to signify the possibility of action despite direct access
to power, you can find very similar notions in Karen Barad
writings about diffraction, both Barad and Mbembe are important
and recognized scholars that should be read when discussing
technology.</p>
<p>natacha<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sorry, but I'm not sure I understand the point of
the article beyond "capitalism is bad".<br>
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I think hackerspaces are by themselves a political statement
against some aspects of capitalism, but this article doesn't
say anything useful or interesting.<br>
<div>What does "a vibratory act, which straddles and exceeds
the given and its constraints" mean anyway? <br>
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<div>You're right about one thing, though. We should limit
the spread of this nonsense the same way were trying to
limit the spread of the virus.<br>
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Soignez-vous bien!<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at
11:45 AM hellekin <<a
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hackerspaces are
mentioned briefly in this firebrand text, on the<br>
forefront of self-organizing production of alternate DIY
medical supplies.<br>
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<a
href="https://ps.zoethical.org/t/yet-we-were-feminists/3477"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ps.zoethical.org/t/yet-we-were-feminists/3477</a><br>
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Also available in Spanish at<br>
<a
href="https://ps.zoethical.org/t/ya-estabamos-feministas/3478"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ps.zoethical.org/t/ya-estabamos-feministas/3478</a><br>
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(Please, if it's your native language, help check the
translation<br>
against the French original below)<br>
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<a
href="https://ps.zoethical.org/t/pourtant-nous-etions-feministes/3476"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ps.zoethical.org/t/pourtant-nous-etions-feministes/3476</a><br>
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The author is Cced. Spread widely like the coronavirus!<br>
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hk<br>
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