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There is a specific legal standard for the difference in charging
vs. not charging... if you own or rent the space only (NYC Resistors
model MAY not apply because instructors charge, although there could
be construed liability there):<br>
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If you do not charge, the people who attend classes are a licensee
(oddly enough) and you are liable if you do not warn or make safe.
If they are paying to be there they are an invitee (the law never
really makes complete sense) and you have a responsibility to
*inspect for hidden hazards*, warn or make safe to avoid liability.
Honestly, a sign on the wall saying "everything in here could hurt
you, use at your own risk" or similar (dress it up a bit to make it
cute/funny/boastful!) should be enough to avoid liability. (But
don't leave anything out!) As an aside, that's why you see "caution
wet floor" signs in supermarkets a lot.<br>
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Christie<br>
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Because my space sometimes has gloom and doom people, someone
brought up the idea that if you charge for a class, you could be
held responsible if someone in the class gets injured. This would
be different than if you did *not* charge for a class because
there is no (or less?) expectation of responsibility if you are
not charging for your services/expertise.<br>
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I think the thought is that a student would try to sue you
personally versus the space, and there was a suggestion that
individuals who teach should get their own personal insurance that
would cover the teaching they do. (The space has its own insurance
and waiver/disclaimer forms that everyone signs.)<br>
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I am definitely not a lawyer, but I'd love to hear what others
think of that idea. (And yes, I am in the overly-litigious United
States.)<br>
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Pete<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/21/16 10:42 AM, Silence Dogood
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<div dir="ltr">one side benefit of charging for classes is
allowing the class teachers to profit. this can be
particularly important for space members who need supplemental
income to afford their dues or to get them by between
contracts / gigs / what have you.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:24 AM,
webmind <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:webmind@puscii.nl" target="_blank">webmind@puscii.nl</a>></span>
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class="">On 20/07/16 17:48, Chad Elish wrote:<br>
> Here’s a question for everyone,<br>
><br>
> What do you normally charge for your classes?<br>
> I know its a big cash cow for spaces to make up
income.<br>
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</span>Hmm, not here. I think most Dutch spaces mostly run
on membership-income.<br>
<br>
Both spaces in Amsterdam do not have a set price, LAG
generally asks<br>
donation Technologia Incognita mostly the same or people
ask cost-price.<br>
IJHack (a "space" without a space) has been doing
workshops to generate<br>
some income, I think they did twice the cost price to have
a buffer of<br>
components or be able to share kits.<br>
<span class=""><br>
> We’re currently at $40.00 for a learn to solder
class which you take<br>
> home an arduino you soldered together. We recently
noticed tech shop<br>
> charging $99 for soldering a blinking badge
together.<br>
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</span>Do a lot of spaces elsewhere use workshops/services
as a way of<br>
providing basic-income for the space? Do spaces have other
models<br>
outside of services or membership to generate base-income?<br>
<br>
At LAG we're currently looking at alternative ways of
generating income<br>
for the rent/etc.<br>
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Thanks!<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
webmind<br>
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