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<p>Corporate veil may not protect directors and officers if they are
considered to be negligent in performing their responsibilities,
which is why they are almost always named on lawsuits when someone
is injured if it's a small org. That's why Noisebridge (and almost
any other org) gets D&O insurance to cover that.</p>
<p>Christie<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/21/2016 12:12 PM, Pete Prodoehl
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I think the approach is, any member can teach a class in whatever,
and it is encouraged, but the space/organization itself has no
involvement in running the classes, or taking any money, etc. It's
basically providing the space/venue/equipment/etc. but no other
sort of "official" support.<br>
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The teacher collects any payments from students and then can keep
it all, use it for consumables, and/or donate it to the space.<br>
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So yes, I think the offloading of responsibility to the teacher is
the approach that is happening.<br>
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Pete<br>
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<div dir="ltr">if you pay your teachers for their time above a
certain amount you are required by law to file a 1099. if
your teachers are teaching for your organization and you
intend to protect them with the corporate veil... this is how
you do that.
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<div>class attendees pay your org for the class the org
offers. </div>
<div>the teacher gets paid by you.</div>
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<div>if you are just a room for some teacher to use... you are
offloading all the liability onto the teacher, while also
assuming all the liability you already had.</div>
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<div>at least that's my understanding of it.</div>
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<div>-Matt</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Pete
Prodoehl <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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There are no 1099s involved. We are a 501(c)3 with no
employees, completely volunteer run. If you teach a
class you can choose to charge for it, and then
encouraged to donate to the space, but it is not
required. (We use donations to cover equipment
maintenance and consumables.) <br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> <br>
Pete</font></span>
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<div dir="ltr">I can't imagine this is really a
huge issue for most classes. Waivers help.
Binding arbitration for the lulz. But I am
pretty sure that if you are filing 1099s for
your teachers there is a corporate veil in
place, so they shouldn't be personally liable...
of course such a situation would be a huge
hassle and likely cost some cash for personal
counsel, if something truly terrible did occur.</div>
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12:00 PM, Pete Prodoehl <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">raster@gmail.com</a>></span>
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Because my space sometimes has gloom and
doom people, someone brought up the idea
that if you charge for a class, you could
be held responsible if someone in the
class gets injured. This would be
different than if you did *not* charge for
a class because there is no (or less?)
expectation of responsibility if you are
not charging for your services/expertise.<br>
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I think the thought is that a student
would try to sue you personally versus the
space, and there was a suggestion that
individuals who teach should get their own
personal insurance that would cover the
teaching they do. (The space has its own
insurance and waiver/disclaimer forms that
everyone signs.)<br>
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I am definitely not a lawyer, but I'd love
to hear what others think of that idea.
(And yes, I am in the overly-litigious
United States.)<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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Pete</font></span><span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">one side benefit of
charging for classes is allowing the
class teachers to profit. this can
be particularly important for space
members who need supplemental income
to afford their dues or to get them
by between contracts / gigs / what
have you.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul
21, 2016 at 6:24 AM, webmind <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:webmind@puscii.nl"
target="_blank">webmind@puscii.nl</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On
20/07/16 17:48, Chad Elish
wrote:<br>
> Here’s a question for
everyone,<br>
><br>
> What do you normally
charge for your classes?<br>
> I know its a big cash cow
for spaces to make up income.<br>
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</span>Hmm, not here. I think
most Dutch spaces mostly run on
membership-income.<br>
<br>
Both spaces in Amsterdam do not
have a set price, LAG generally
asks<br>
donation Technologia Incognita
mostly the same or people ask
cost-price.<br>
IJHack (a "space" without a
space) has been doing workshops
to generate<br>
some income, I think they did
twice the cost price to have a
buffer of<br>
components or be able to share
kits.<br>
<span><br>
> We’re currently at $40.00
for a learn to solder class
which you take<br>
> home an arduino you
soldered together. We recently
noticed tech shop<br>
> charging $99 for
soldering a blinking badge
together.<br>
<br>
</span>Do a lot of spaces
elsewhere use workshops/services
as a way of<br>
providing basic-income for the
space? Do spaces have other
models<br>
outside of services or
membership to generate
base-income?<br>
<br>
At LAG we're currently looking
at alternative ways of
generating income<br>
for the rent/etc.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
webmind<br>
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