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    <p>Corporate veil may not protect directors and officers if they are
      considered to be negligent in performing their responsibilities,
      which is why they are almost always named on lawsuits when someone
      is injured if it's a small org. That's why Noisebridge (and almost
      any other org) gets D&O insurance to cover that.</p>
    <p>Christie<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/21/2016 12:12 PM, Pete Prodoehl
      wrote:<br>
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      I think the approach is, any member can teach a class in whatever,
      and it is encouraged, but the space/organization itself has no
      involvement in running the classes, or taking any money, etc. It's
      basically providing the space/venue/equipment/etc. but no other
      sort of "official" support.<br>
      <br>
      The teacher collects any payments from students and then can keep
      it all, use it for consumables, and/or donate it to the space.<br>
      <br>
      So yes, I think the offloading of responsibility to the teacher is
      the approach that is happening.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Pete<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/21/16 12:23 PM, Silence Dogood
        wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">if you pay your teachers for their time above a
          certain amount you are required by law to file a 1099.  if
          your teachers are teaching for your organization and you
          intend to protect them with the corporate veil... this is how
          you do that.
          <div><br>
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          <div>class attendees pay your org for the class the org
            offers. </div>
          <div>the teacher gets paid by you.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>if you are just a room for some teacher to use... you are
            offloading all the liability onto the teacher, while also
            assuming all the liability you already had.</div>
          <div><br>
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          <div>at least that's my understanding of it.</div>
          <div><br>
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          <div>-Matt</div>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Pete
            Prodoehl <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:raster@gmail.com" target="_blank">raster@gmail.com</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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                There are no 1099s involved. We are a 501(c)3 with no
                employees, completely volunteer run. If you teach a
                class you can choose to charge for it, and then
                encouraged to donate to the space, but it is not
                required. (We use donations to cover equipment
                maintenance and consumables.) <br>
                <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> <br>
                    Pete</font></span>
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                  <div class="h5"><br>
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                    <div>On 7/21/16 11:40 AM, Silence Dogood wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">I can't imagine this is really a
                        huge issue for most classes.  Waivers help. 
                        Binding arbitration for the lulz.  But I am
                        pretty sure that if you are filing 1099s for
                        your teachers there is a corporate veil in
                        place, so they shouldn't be personally liable...
                        of course such a situation would be a huge
                        hassle and likely cost some cash for personal
                        counsel, if something truly terrible did occur.</div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at
                          12:00 PM, Pete Prodoehl <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              target="_blank">raster@gmail.com</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                              Because my space sometimes has gloom and
                              doom people, someone brought up the idea
                              that if you charge for a class, you could
                              be held responsible if someone in the
                              class gets injured. This would be
                              different than if you did *not* charge for
                              a class because there is no (or less?)
                              expectation of responsibility if you are
                              not charging for your services/expertise.<br>
                              <br>
                              I think the thought is that a student
                              would try to sue you personally versus the
                              space, and there was a suggestion that
                              individuals who teach should get their own
                              personal insurance that would cover the
                              teaching they do. (The space has its own
                              insurance and waiver/disclaimer forms that
                              everyone signs.)<br>
                              <br>
                              I am definitely not a lawyer, but I'd love
                              to hear what others think of that idea.
                              (And yes, I am in the overly-litigious
                              United States.)<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                  <br>
                                  Pete</font></span><span><br>
                                <br>
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                                <div>On 7/21/16 10:42 AM, Silence Dogood
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">one side benefit of
                                    charging for classes is allowing the
                                    class teachers to profit.  this can
                                    be particularly important for space
                                    members who need supplemental income
                                    to afford their dues or to get them
                                    by between contracts / gigs / what
                                    have you.
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                                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul
                                      21, 2016 at 6:24 AM, webmind <span
                                        dir="ltr"><<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:webmind@puscii.nl"
                                          target="_blank">webmind@puscii.nl</a>></span>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                          20/07/16 17:48, Chad Elish
                                          wrote:<br>
                                          > Here’s a question for
                                          everyone,<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > What do you normally
                                          charge for your classes?<br>
                                          > I know its a big cash cow
                                          for spaces to make up income.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </span>Hmm, not here. I think
                                        most Dutch spaces mostly run on
                                        membership-income.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Both spaces in Amsterdam do not
                                        have a set price, LAG generally
                                        asks<br>
                                        donation Technologia Incognita
                                        mostly the same or people ask
                                        cost-price.<br>
                                        IJHack (a "space" without a
                                        space) has been doing workshops
                                        to generate<br>
                                        some income, I think they did
                                        twice the cost price to have a
                                        buffer of<br>
                                        components or be able to share
                                        kits.<br>
                                        <span><br>
                                          > We’re currently at $40.00
                                          for a learn to solder class
                                          which you take<br>
                                          > home an arduino you
                                          soldered together. We recently
                                          noticed tech shop<br>
                                          > charging $99 for
                                          soldering a blinking badge
                                          together.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </span>Do a lot of spaces
                                        elsewhere use workshops/services
                                        as a way of<br>
                                        providing basic-income for the
                                        space? Do spaces have other
                                        models<br>
                                        outside of services or
                                        membership to generate
                                        base-income?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        At LAG we're currently looking
                                        at alternative ways of
                                        generating income<br>
                                        for the rent/etc.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Thanks!<br>
                                        <span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                            webmind<br>
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