<div dir="ltr">This is helpful - thanks!<div><br></div><div>It looks like a complete solution doesn't exist for all of our needs. We'll be examining the options (which include contributing back code to some of the open source projects) to find what fits our members, budget, and capacity to build/support.</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone else is using something - even if it's incomplete - that hasn't been mentioned yet, please share!</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b>Dominic Canare</b><div>Immediate Past President, MakeICT</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Dave Rowntree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@davidrowntree.co.uk" target="_blank">dave@davidrowntree.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">We use GoCardless (but support bank standing orders too, begrudgingly) to handle recurring payments for dues, and also ad-hoc payments for things (like training fees) at So Make It. They are very friendly with the fees, and may well give you a zero fee as an introduction. They handle all that nasty card processing stuff, and money just appears in our bank account.<div><br></div><div>You can inspect/fork our members area system, with all it's integrations here: </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/somakeit/members-area" target="_blank">https://github.com/somakeit/<wbr>members-area</a></div><div> </div><div>although a few guys seems to be rebuilding it to make it more applicable to hackerspaces other our own:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/members-area/members-area" target="_blank">https://github.com/members-<wbr>area/members-area</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I guess it might be of interest to some.</div><div><br></div><div>Dave.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 September 2016 at 22:07, Edward L Platt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ed@elplatt.com" target="_blank">ed@elplatt.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dues payment is a good example of why there isn't a single good solution right now: it's a moving target. You need a steady stream of active volunteers and/or funding in order to keep up with the newest paypal/amazon/wepay/venmo/doge<wbr>coin API. So I'd say, find something that exists that works well enough (Seltzer, CiviCRM, maybe even straight-up Drupal) *or* work on getting a committed team together to build something that won't be obsolete by the time its debugged.<div><br></div><div>Ed</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Dominic Canare <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dom@makeict.org" target="_blank">dom@makeict.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Can we move questions/discussion about National Organization of Makers to a separate thread?</div><div><br></div>Our primary needs including handling automatic recurring dues payments and event registrations and payments - preferably with more options than PayPal, as we have a number of members who refuse to use it or it's problematic. The system needs to supports event discounts for active members and allows monthly-addons for dues (such as an additional monthly donation, locker rentals, etc).<div><br></div><div>We looked at Seltzer in the past, but I don't think it had any support for events and RSVP's. Looks like that's still the case?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><br clear="all"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b>Dominic Canare</b><div>Immediate Past President, MakeICT</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, bownes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bownes@gmail.com" target="_blank">bownes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div></div><div><br></div><div>At the Center of Gravity we use Seltzer with quite a few add ons to handle badges, access control, and billing. </div><div><div><div><br>The On Sep 10, 2016, at 07:45, Arthur Guy <<a href="mailto:arthur@arthurguy.co.uk" target="_blank">arthur@arthurguy.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">I built a system for the Brighton (England) Makerspace a few years back. Its very specific to us but it has a good feature set and is forkable.<div><a href="https://github.com/ArthurGuy/BBMembershipSystem/" target="_blank">https://github.com/ArthurGuy/B<wbr>BMembershipSystem/</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br>Thanks,<br>Arthur<br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 September 2016 at 11:34, Altin Ukshini <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:altin.ukshini@gmail.com" target="_blank">altin.ukshini@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I've started one here: <a href="https://github.com/altinukshini/hackerspacecrm" target="_blank">https://github.com/altinukshin<wbr>i/hackerspacecrm</a><br>
But it'll take some time to be useful. I'll be working on it for another year for sure as it's also a school project and we need for Prishtina Hackerspace too (we use Seltzer)</p>
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<p dir="ltr">Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.</p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 10, 2016 4:30 AM, "Edward L Platt" <<a href="mailto:ed@elplatt.com" target="_blank">ed@elplatt.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">It's worth mentioning that several of us worked on developing a free/open-source system to do this called Seltzer, with mixed success. It never made it to 1.0, but has been successfully used at a number of spaces. The project is currently maintenance-only, but I do plan to devote more effort to decentralized free/open software for organizing communities at some point.<div><br></div><div>It's a hard problem, but mostly for non-technical reasons. Some challenges we found that might not be obvious:</div><div><br></div><div>1. It's not a sexy topic, so it's hard to attract volunteers, and it's hard to raise money.</div><div><br></div><div>2. On a related note, member management systems are long-term projects, which means whatever stack you build the technology on, it will spend most of it's life cycle being "old, boring" technology.</div><div><br></div><div>3. Everyone does things differently. One approach is to build a tool that can be configured to do anything (CiviCRM is a good example) but the downside is that it gets very complicated and difficult to use. Another approach is to make a lightweight core that can be extended (we tried this with Seltzer).</div><div><br></div><div>4. It's difficult to build collaborations across spaces. Different spaces stumble across or create their own solutions, which makes pooling resources difficult.</div><div><br></div><div>Happy hacking,</div><div>Ed</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Derek H <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dh405okc@gmail.com" target="_blank">dh405okc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">How does one request an invite to that slack?</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Matthew "mirage335" Hines <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spamfreemirage335@gmail.com" target="_blank">spamfreemirage335@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>National Organization of Makers is the name increasingly adopted
by the large group of Makerspace leaders continuing to collaborate
following the recent White House sponsored meeting, as well as a
possible future conference with a similar agenda.<br>
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Pritt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ramgarden@gmail.com" target="_blank">ramgarden@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Melbourne Makerspace has been using the open
source Seltzer (built at another hackerspace!)
specifically for running 'spaces with little to no
training and volunteer time.
<div>I am currently trying to build a member photo module
that lets other members pull up the photos of a selected
member since we have so many members now it's hard to
remember their names!</div>
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<div><a href="https://github.com/elplatt/seltzer" target="_blank">https://github.com/elplatt/sel<wbr>tzer</a><br>
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<div>I wrote some PHP that queries the Seltzer database
that is called from a Python script I wrote that runs on
a raspberry Pi with an RFID scanner we use for our front
door lock.</div>
<div>It's been working great for over a year now! </div>
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<div><a href="https://wiki.melbournemakerspace.org/projects/RFIDDoorLock" target="_blank">https://wiki.melbournemakerspa<wbr>ce.org/projects/RFIDDoorLock</a><br>
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<p>You may wish to request an invite to the
National Organization of Makers slack channel.
This has been recognized as a unsolved problem
in need of dedicated technology. An active
development effort is underway to begin an
extensive Odoo based platform without lock-in.<br>
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<div>It's been a little while since we
talked about this, and I wonder if new
information or tools are available.</div>
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<div>What are people using to manage
their members, payments, equipment
authorizations, events and signups,
donations, etc?</div>
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<div>We've been using WildApricot for
the past few years. It does many
things, but all of them are a little
lacking. We have a bunch of
work-arounds and custom tools built
around their API's to make it easier
for our administrators, but it's
become a bit cumbersome to maintain,
and the price keeps going up.</div>
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<div>Looking for suggestions!</div>
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