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I think the approach is, any member can teach a class in whatever,
and it is encouraged, but the space/organization itself has no
involvement in running the classes, or taking any money, etc. It's
basically providing the space/venue/equipment/etc. but no other sort
of "official" support.<br>
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The teacher collects any payments from students and then can keep it
all, use it for consumables, and/or donate it to the space.<br>
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So yes, I think the offloading of responsibility to the teacher is
the approach that is happening.<br>
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Pete<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/21/16 12:23 PM, Silence Dogood
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<div dir="ltr">if you pay your teachers for their time above a
certain amount you are required by law to file a 1099. if your
teachers are teaching for your organization and you intend to
protect them with the corporate veil... this is how you do that.
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<div>class attendees pay your org for the class the org offers. </div>
<div>the teacher gets paid by you.</div>
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<div>if you are just a room for some teacher to use... you are
offloading all the liability onto the teacher, while also
assuming all the liability you already had.</div>
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<div>at least that's my understanding of it.</div>
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<div>-Matt</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Pete
Prodoehl <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:raster@gmail.com" target="_blank">raster@gmail.com</a>></span>
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There are no 1099s involved. We are a 501(c)3 with no
employees, completely volunteer run. If you teach a class
you can choose to charge for it, and then encouraged to
donate to the space, but it is not required. (We use
donations to cover equipment maintenance and consumables.)
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<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> <br>
Pete</font></span>
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<div>On 7/21/16 11:40 AM, Silence Dogood wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I can't imagine this is really a huge
issue for most classes. Waivers help. Binding
arbitration for the lulz. But I am pretty sure
that if you are filing 1099s for your teachers
there is a corporate veil in place, so they
shouldn't be personally liable... of course such a
situation would be a huge hassle and likely cost
some cash for personal counsel, if something truly
terrible did occur.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at
12:00 PM, Pete Prodoehl <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Because my space sometimes has gloom and
doom people, someone brought up the idea
that if you charge for a class, you could be
held responsible if someone in the class
gets injured. This would be different than
if you did *not* charge for a class because
there is no (or less?) expectation of
responsibility if you are not charging for
your services/expertise.<br>
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I think the thought is that a student would
try to sue you personally versus the space,
and there was a suggestion that individuals
who teach should get their own personal
insurance that would cover the teaching they
do. (The space has its own insurance and
waiver/disclaimer forms that everyone
signs.)<br>
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I am definitely not a lawyer, but I'd love
to hear what others think of that idea. (And
yes, I am in the overly-litigious United
States.)<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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Pete</font></span><span><br>
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<div>On 7/21/16 10:42 AM, Silence Dogood
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<div dir="ltr">one side benefit of
charging for classes is allowing the
class teachers to profit. this can be
particularly important for space
members who need supplemental income
to afford their dues or to get them by
between contracts / gigs / what have
you.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul
21, 2016 at 6:24 AM, webmind <span
dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:webmind@puscii.nl"
target="_blank">webmind@puscii.nl</a>></span>
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20/07/16 17:48, Chad Elish
wrote:<br>
> Here’s a question for
everyone,<br>
><br>
> What do you normally charge
for your classes?<br>
> I know its a big cash cow
for spaces to make up income.<br>
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</span>Hmm, not here. I think most
Dutch spaces mostly run on
membership-income.<br>
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Both spaces in Amsterdam do not
have a set price, LAG generally
asks<br>
donation Technologia Incognita
mostly the same or people ask
cost-price.<br>
IJHack (a "space" without a space)
has been doing workshops to
generate<br>
some income, I think they did
twice the cost price to have a
buffer of<br>
components or be able to share
kits.<br>
<span><br>
> We’re currently at $40.00
for a learn to solder class
which you take<br>
> home an arduino you
soldered together. We recently
noticed tech shop<br>
> charging $99 for soldering
a blinking badge together.<br>
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</span>Do a lot of spaces
elsewhere use workshops/services
as a way of<br>
providing basic-income for the
space? Do spaces have other models<br>
outside of services or membership
to generate base-income?<br>
<br>
At LAG we're currently looking at
alternative ways of generating
income<br>
for the rent/etc.<br>
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Thanks!<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
webmind<br>
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