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1. Collaboration with public libraries to host/incubate new<br>
hackerspaces? (Kẏra )<br>
2. Re: Collaboration with public libraries to host/incubate new<br>
hackerspaces? (Joshua Pritt)<br>
3. Fwd: Call for input to President's Commission on Enhancing<br>
Cybersecurity - bridging the trust gap between the IT community<br>
and the US government (Cecilia Tanaka)<br>
4. Re: Fwd: Call for input to President's Commission on<br>
Enhancing Cybersecurity - bridging the trust gap between the IT<br>
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Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:22:16 -0400<br>
From: Kẏra <<a href="mailto:kxra@riseup.net">kxra@riseup.net</a>><br>
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Subject: [hackerspaces] Collaboration with public libraries to<br>
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Is there any documentation on working with local public libraries to use<br>
those existing ideologically similar spaces to start a hackerspace? These<br>
types of partnerships seem like they would be naturally symbiotic and<br>
mutually beneficial. I'd like to do this in my city, but I don't really<br>
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Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:33:02 -0400<br>
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I would just look online for all the libraries that currently have a<br>
makerspace or started one until it grew large enough to get their own<br>
space.<br>
Then show those to your library and city council.<br>
I would also find a lot of good examples of what makerspaces do by printing<br>
off a few blog posts from various makerspace websites. Check out the<br>
classes and events from ours to get started:<br>
<a href="http://www.melbournemakerspace.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.melbournemakerspace.org</a><br>
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On Jul 17, 2016 6:23 PM, "Kẏra " <<a href="mailto:kxra@riseup.net">kxra@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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Is there any documentation on working with local public libraries to use<br>
those existing ideologically similar spaces to start a hackerspace? These<br>
types of partnerships seem like they would be naturally symbiotic and<br>
mutually beneficial. I'd like to do this in my city, but I don't really<br>
know what the best practices are. Some successful examples might be<br>
helpful, if nothing else.<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 21:56:39 -0300<br>
From: Cecilia Tanaka <<a href="mailto:cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com">cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Call for input to President's Commission<br>
on Enhancing Cybersecurity - bridging the trust gap between the IT<br>
community and the US government<br>
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Date: July 15, 2016 at 3:21:32 PM EDT<br>
From: Herb Lin <<a href="mailto:herblin@stanford.edu">herblin@stanford.edu</a>><br>
To: "'David Farber (<a href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a>)'" <<a href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a>>, ip <<a href="mailto:ip@listbox.com">ip@listbox.com</a><br>
><br>
Subject: Call for input to President's Commission on Enhancing<br>
Cybersecurity - bridging the trust gap between the IT community<br>
and the US government<br>
<br>
Dear IPers -<br>
<br>
You may know that President Obama has established a commission to<br>
consider how to strengthen cybersecurity in both the public and<br>
private sectors while protecting privacy, ensuring public safety and<br>
economic and national security, fostering discovery and development<br>
of new technical solutions, and bolstering partnerships between<br>
Federal, State, and local government and the private sector in the<br>
development, promotion, and use of cybersecurity technologies,<br>
policies, and best practices. (See<br>
<a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/02/09/executive-order-commission-enhancing-national-cybersecurity" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/02/09/executive-order-commission-enhancing-national-cybersecurity</a><br>
.)<br>
I am one of the 12 designated commissioners.<br>
<br>
Recognizing that trust is hard to build and easy to destroy (and a<br>
variety of things have happened over the last 20 years have occurred<br>
to do the latter), one issue that has come up is the enormous gap of<br>
trust between the U.S. government and the information technology<br>
(IT) community, from which many IPers are drawn. This rift is not<br>
helpful to either side, and I'd like to solicit input from the IP<br>
community about what you think the government can do or refrain from<br>
doing to help bridge that gap.<br>
<br>
It would be most helpful if you could three things in your response:<br>
<br>
1 - Your best examples of things the government (and what part of the<br>
US government) has done to alienate the IT community specifically.<br>
(Or, at the very least, show how the examples you provide connect to<br>
the interests of the IT community.)<br>
<br>
2 - Things that the U.S. government could realistically do in the<br>
short and medium term (i.e., 0-10 year time frame) that would help<br>
bridge the trust gap. If your answer is "Don't do dumb things!", it<br>
would be better and more useful to provide *examples* of what not to<br>
do.<br>
<br>
3 - Things that the U.S. government could realistically do in the<br>
longer term to do the same.<br>
<br>
Please send your responses to <a href="mailto:CENCinput1@gmail.com">CENCinput1@gmail.com</a>. (I set up this<br>
email address, but I'd like to keep the traffic separate from my<br>
non-Commission work email.) I promise to read as many as I can<br>
individually and share what I learn with the commission membership.<br>
<br>
Also, feel free to circulate this call for input to anyone else you<br>
feel would want to comment.<br>
<br>
Thanks much<br>
<br>
Herb<br>
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Herb Lin<br>
Senior Research Scholar, Center for International Security and Cooperation<br>
Research Fellow, Hoover Institution<br>
Stanford University<br>
Stanford, CA 94305 USA<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:00:41 +0200<br>
From: Walter van Holst <<a href="mailto:walter@revspace.nl">walter@revspace.nl</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org">discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
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Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Call for input to President's<br>
Commission on Enhancing Cybersecurity - bridging the trust gap between<br>
the IT community and the US government<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:9200cf27f2169d99ac7897ec96934bcb@xs4all.nl">9200cf27f2169d99ac7897ec96934bcb@xs4all.nl</a>><br>
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On 2016-07-18 02:56, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:<br>
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> Date: July 15, 2016 at 3:21:32 PM EDT<br>
> From: Herb Lin <<a href="mailto:herblin@stanford.edu">herblin@stanford.edu</a>><br>
> To: "'David Farber (<a href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a>)'" <<a href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a>>, ip<br>
> <<a href="mailto:ip@listbox.com">ip@listbox.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Call for input to President's Commission on Enhancing<br>
> Cybersecurity - bridging the trust gap between the IT community<br>
> and the US government<br>
><br>
> Dear IPers -<br>
><br>
> You may know that President Obama has established a commission to<br>
> consider how to strengthen cybersecurity in both the public and<br>
> private sectors while protecting privacy, ensuring public safety and<br>
> economic and national security, fostering discovery and development<br>
> of new technical solutions, and bolstering partnerships between<br>
> Federal, State, and local government and the private sector in the<br>
> development, promotion, and use of cybersecurity technologies,<br>
> policies, and best practices. (See<br>
> <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/02/09/executive-order-commission-enhancing-national-cybersecurity" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/02/09/executive-order-commission-enhancing-national-cybersecurity</a>.)<br>
> I am one of the 12 designated commissioners.<br>
><br>
> Recognizing that trust is hard to build and easy to destroy (and a<br>
> variety of things have happened over the last 20 years have occurred<br>
> to do the latter), one issue that has come up is the enormous gap of<br>
> trust between the U.S. government and the information technology<br>
> (IT) community, from which many IPers are drawn. This rift is not<br>
> helpful to either side, and I'd like to solicit input from the IP<br>
> community about what you think the government can do or refrain from<br>
> doing to help bridge that gap.<br>
<br>
A few things:<br>
<br>
- Stop using "cyberwar" or "cyberattacks" etc. as the framing for<br>
infosec issues. A much more useful frame is infosec as an analog to<br>
public health. Infosec breaches can be potentially be as disruptive as<br>
outbreaks of infectious diseases and every node in the network can be a<br>
part of the problem, just like every citizen can be a carrier of a<br>
disease.<br>
<br>
- Start focusing on incentives for *positive* infosec practices instead<br>
of repressing security research (e.g. CFAA, recent trade secrets<br>
legislation, lack of reverse engineering exceptions in US copyright<br>
law), for example by thinking about strict liability for vendors that do<br>
not have a form of source code disclosure and for service providers that<br>
do not respond to vulnerability disclosures. Again, from a "disease<br>
control" perspective, the public interest in having a (even remote)<br>
possibility of noticing and fixing security issues overrides any<br>
interests in keeping code proprietary.<br>
<br>
- In that vein, mandatory breach notifications under (near future) EU<br>
Data Protection rules are already shifting the landscape in the EU, it<br>
might be worth looking into that example.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Walter<br>
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