<div dir="ltr">Dear friends,<div><br><div>This person is not going to leave/stop talking about his favorite non-hackerspace related topic of his own volition and our moderator is not going to flip his moderation bit. I propose we starve the beast by not responding to him.</div></div><div><br></div><div>-Jess</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Colin Keigher <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:general@keyboardcowboy.ca" target="_blank">general@keyboardcowboy.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Yeah. It's classic that someone who is an "independent thinker" will
start to accuse a mailing list of "group think". I guess if that
your accusation that this mailing list and the hackerspace you were
banished with are both examples of "group think" then I might as
well go and dig up your past since I am curious what got you booted
in the first place.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/Io8vDQvaT84" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/Io8vDQvaT84</a><br>
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<div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline">Peter previously received two
formal warnings on 16th Jan 2015 and 18th Jan 2015 for
harassment on IRC, via email, and in person as well as
repeated evasion of IRC bans.</span></div>
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<div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline">Peter's recent conduct after his
first and second formal warnings continued to demonstrate a
complete lack of respect for other members, and no ability to
compromise when acting as a member of the community. We have
not noted any willingness to change this attitude and the many
members who have attempted to discuss it with Peter echo this.</span></div>
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<br>
So from this we learn the following:<br>
<br>
- You were banned from IRC after being harassing and then evaded
your bans<br>
- You harassed the hackerspace via e-mail<br>
- You have no ability to compromise with the hackerspace<br>
- You have no desire to change your behaviour<br>
- People have tried to mediate but you've demonstrated no desire to
change<br>
<br>
Then we go on later into this thread to find the following:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It's not a case of just finding him
"annoying" it's finding his<span> </span></span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">behaviour threatening. Peter stopped
multiple people from using the<span> </span></span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">space because they didn't want to be around
him.<span> <br>
</span></span></blockquote>
<br>
So you're obviously toxic to this hackerspace. Why are you causing
people to leave? I see references to you stalking them around the
space.<br>
<br>
Then we see other examples from the mailing list of your warnings:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/london-hack-space/peter$20meadows/london-hack-space/bDlpFC6Lg2o/4kD0zb29lYIJ" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/london-hack-space/peter$20meadows/london-hack-space/bDlpFC6Lg2o/4kD0zb29lYIJ</a><br>
<a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/london-hack-space/peter$20meadows/london-hack-space/7WE1zuRWKbk/JaqLpP9Tu0QJ" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/london-hack-space/peter$20meadows/london-hack-space/7WE1zuRWKbk/JaqLpP9Tu0QJ</a><br>
<br>
On the second link, we're referred to this page:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Grievance_Procedure/Warnings_Issued" target="_blank">https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Grievance_Procedure/Warnings_Issued</a><br>
<br>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:19.0499992370605px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">Harassment
on IRC and in person, evasion of IRC bans.</span></blockquote>
<br>
And then finally this:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Grievance_Procedure/Bans_Issued" target="_blank">https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Grievance_Procedure/Bans_Issued</a><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.6999998092651px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:19.0499992370605px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">Harassment
on IRC and in person, evasion of IRC bans</span></blockquote>
<br>
And according to this, it's valid for a year. Have you given any
thought to maybe taking a fucking break and seeking help?<br>
<br>
Also, complaining about being mean about RMS is funny when he's
known to be a creeper himself, has the most obnoxious conference
attendance requirements, and is known to eat things stuck to his
foot:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ</a><br>
<br>
Quit posting on this mailing list, Peter. Nobody cares about your
plight and from all appearances your ban was more than rightfully
deserved.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
- Colin</font></span><span class=""><br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 15-02-26 08:12 AM, peter wrote:<br>
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I disagree. All I've done is calmly express my ideas in the most
rational way I know how.
<br>
<br>
I think it's a cultural problem.
<br>
<br>
I think it is possible and necessary to change people's minds. It
will not be easy.
<br>
(I guess the scientists fighting religion overcame the same kind
of problem).
<br>
<br>
Humans are tricky, and prone to violence and group-think.
<br>
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