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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/02/15 08:44, justin corwin wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So, you claim this person from the banning thread
is lying?
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Yup. That person emailed me privately and continued to email me. <br>
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If you don't mail me, I don't mail you back. It's that simple.<br>
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In one of their emails, they replied to my question about their mail
filter being broken with:<br>
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!important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Nah.
I'm just examining the contents occasionally because I find your
level of retardation to be hilarious. Do you honestly have nothing
better to do with your life than stalk people?"</span><br>
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Clearly this is not someone saying 'oooh, you're bothing me, please
leave me alone'.<br>
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So it's true that I emailed them, but the way they presented it
below is completely inaccurate.<br>
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class="gmail_quote">Dan <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:toxyntheco...@gmail.com">toxyntheco...@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
"<span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I'd
suggest anyone receiving this just adds his address to
spam filtering and don't reply. I made the mistake of
requesting that he doesn't contact me again, resulting in
me being bombarded by increasingly creepy messages -
including demands for my skype details, that I go out for
a coffee with him a d asking if we can become friends..."</span></blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 8:36 PM, peter
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:phm@riseup.net" target="_blank">phm@riseup.net</a>></span>
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<div>On 22/02/15 04:11, justin corwin wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Look, Peter, this is a great example of
the larger issue I feel is at play here. I'm gonna
belabor the point a little, and I apologize for
that, but it seems necessary for clarity.
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<div>The initial "it" thing is fairly innocuous. In
fact, it's not entirely clear you even were
referring to a person as an "it" or to the
cleaning service, independent of any person. I'll
admit the initial objection seemed nitpicky to me,
an unproductive jab. Who cares about you maybe
using an impersonal reference for a person? But
then you dig your heels in and spend ages arguing
with anyone who posts in that thread in an
escalating attempt to be "right". </div>
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<div>Someone later makes the fairly bland assertion
that you should use the pronouns that people
prefer, out of basic respect for others. Fine, not
even applicable, since you haven't talked to the
cleaner personally(I assume)! But you feel
compelled to object even to that, claiming you
don't have time to keep track of people's pronouns
or ask for them. </div>
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<div>And then this quote. In which you say you're
going to ignore the request not to use "it" for
people, because you think it's funny(presumably
it's funny because it upsets people?). Anyone who
doesn't or is personally offended is required to
come to you and be shown just how superior your
sense of humor is to theirs. And if they can
somehow prove to you it isn't funny to them,
regardless of your no doubt amazing explanation,
you'll stop. you promise. </div>
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</span> errr. no. But not time to explain this right now.<span
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<div>First of all, this is all amazingly
disingenuous. I in now And even if it were all
sincere, you're essentially saying that things
that are funny to you are more important than
respecting others requests. </div>
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<div>But more importantly, it's all so unnecessary.
Why were you still arguing about this in the first
place, three emails later? It's such a pointless
argument about a tiny objection that can't
possibly have been something you cared that much
about. If you had just said "sure fine whatever",
the whole issue goes away. And I see that pattern
happening over and over again, both in the LHS
threads, and even here now. There are people in
the LHS thread complaining that when they ask you
to stop contacting them, they get more messages
instead. </div>
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</span> I like
philosophy/logic/reasoning/rhetoric/critical thinking. I
think it's good to practise these skills, and fun to do in
it's own right.<br>
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If they don't, why did they keep replying?<br>
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They did not ask me to stop contacting them. If they
didn't reply to me, I wouldn't have replied back! (duh)<span
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<div>So I don't think it's anything in particular.
It's not the actions, or a specific email. It's
that you have a pattern, and so they've become
unwilling to extend you the benefit of the doubt.
Everything is interpreted as negatively as
possible, because you never ever back off or
compromise. I'm willing to bet that's what they're
talking about IRL as well. You probably got some
people who felt trapped in a conversation because
you refused to shut up, and ignored every obvious
sign they wanted the interaction to be over. <br>
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</span> haha. Yes. that's why they kept replying! They
were trapped because I kept mistaking them wanting the
last word for them wanted to continue the conversation!<br>
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BTW: A few people did say 'please don't talk to me' and so
I didn't. No problem.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at
6:06 PM, peter <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:phm@riseup.net" target="_blank">phm@riseup.net</a>></span>
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<div>On 21/02/15 01:22, Brendan Halliday
wrote:<br>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Peter,</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The
tone you took combined with your
cherrypicked examples of your
interpretation of 'good' behaviour
set several red flags. </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I've
been helping out and organising at
many community organisations over
the years and it's been a constant
that the members that are the most
toxic and most dangerous to the
community are the ones who:</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">1.
Must always have the last word.
Always.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">2.
Disagree with the stated (or
sometimes poorly communicated)
expected conduct of the group</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">3.
Generally agitate for their own
goals (which usually do not match
up with the organisations')</span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> while
attempting to remain buddies with
the rest of the membership.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So
I spent less than a minute reading
your links and came across this:</span></div>
<span
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/On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at
10:23:53 AM UTC, Peter Meadows
wrote:/ </span><br
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> </span><br
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>
/I don't have time to go around
asking everyone which pronouns they </span><br
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<div
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>
prefer! <br>
> <br>
> I think it's funny to call
people 'it'. If it upsets them, it
can come <br>
> and talk to me and I'll try
to help it develop a sense of
humour. (and <br>
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<span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>
if it really can't do this, I'll
stop calling it 'it' in public). / </span><br>
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</span> What's wrong with this? I said that
my first preference would be to try and
explain the humour, and that it's not nasty.
And if that could not be done, I would stop
doing it.<span><br>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">To
me, the links you have provided
have indicated that the LHS
executive have acted very clearly
and with considerable cohesion on
this matter. It's also clear that
they are familiar with the Geek
Social Fallacies and do not wish
them to rule their space.</span></div>
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style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">From
all indications you have provided,
I can't see any </span><span
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">actions
as bullying or seeming to be
motivated by hidden reasons. </span></div>
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style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>
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<div><span
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">If
anything, you should move on and
perhaps re-evaluate how you handle
social interactions - because if
you're not the unconstructive
member that you're portraying,
then you need to work on
communicating it clearer.</span></div>
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