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I still don't know what they think I've done wrong.<br>
<br>
Which part of the Code of Conduct am I supposed to have violated?
How did I harass people IRL? (What does the CCTV show?). As has been
pointed out by others, the ban post is very low on details.<br>
<br>
I feel very confident that I can defend all of my posts. I was not
rude or abusive. I was not trolling. They were my genuine thoughts.
They were all relevant to the hackspace.<br>
<br>
It may be the case that they annoyed some people, but that's because
some people find some ideas/people annoying.<br>
<br>
Why couldn't they just ignore threads that they didn't like?<br>
<br>
<rophl> and let's just say the person doing the escalating was
usually not pete42<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/02/15 00:27, Edward L Platt
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAKb0FmH2GQy430b55juREE9DP4NRmPGRjM6dYAoN5sQCbyFWaQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">From the outside, this looks like a pretty good
example of how leaders *should* respond to a complaint. Members
complained, and they responded by:
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- taking the member complaint seriously<br>
- issuing clear warnings<br>
- giving specifics about what the problem was
<div>- following agreed-upon procedures</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Some questions to ask in cases like this:</div>
<div>- Why are people complaining about your behavior?</div>
<div>- Do you disagree with the code of conduct, or do you
disagree with how it's being applied?</div>
<div>- Is the leadership applying policies unevenly? If so, how?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It sounds like you have a disagreement with a majority of
the leadership, and at least some of the members about what
types of behavior are acceptable. If this is really an abuse
of power, there are probably a lot of bystanders who are just
going along with things because they don't want to make a
fuss. I second the suggestion of finding them privately.
Otherwise, you have to decide what's more important to you:
being a part of that community, or not having to follow their
norms.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Ed</div>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:56 PM, peter
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:phm@riseup.net" target="_blank">phm@riseup.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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Does anyone have advice/experience with the leadership
abusing their powers, doing unconstitutional/unethical
things? (specifically: bullying members with mental
'abnormalities').<br>
<br>
What happened? Did anyone try to stop it? Has anyone ever
called an EGM (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_general_meeting"
target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_general_meeting</a>)
about it?<br>
<br>
I'm attempting to do this at London Hackspace.<br>
<br>
<br>
Grievance Procedure Update - Peter Meadows banned for one
year:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/Io8vDQvaT84"
target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/Io8vDQvaT84</a><br>
<br>
Notification of a second formal warning for Peter Meadows:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/7WE1zuRWKbk"
target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/7WE1zuRWKbk</a><br>
<br>
Fwd: Re: Your first formal warning:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/bDlpFC6Lg2o"
target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/bDlpFC6Lg2o</a><br>
<br>
Fwd: Re: Your behaviour in IRC:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/uNFjdFI7tmY"
target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/uNFjdFI7tmY</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Thread about my food getting chucked in the bin:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/E4Gom_ave4c"
target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/E4Gom_ave4c</a><br>
<br>
(I suspect this was done by a 'trustee' as revenge for me
suggesting 'doorbot' should<br>
not be blaring out loud music into the space every 5
minutes. (although nobody has owned up to doing it,
(despite other members insisting that it was not a
mistake, and it was done with the best interests of the
space at heart)):<br>
<br>
<br>
Thread in which I'm accused of 'de-humanising' the cleaner
by calling it 'it':<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/london-hack-space/gFJpT3zPj3c"
target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/gFJpT3zPj3c</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I think they invented the stuff about IRL harassment
because they would look silly banning me just for supposed
'trolling'. (I was NOT 'trolling').<br>
<br>
There is CCTV in the space, so we can determine very
easily if I was 'following' people around. They refuse to
give any details about what the CCTV shows.<br>
They refuse to give any details about the nature of the
real life harassment. I can provide many witnesses that
spent time with me day to day in the space, and that will
testify that I have not harassed anyone.<br>
<br>
David Potocnik writes:<br>
<br>
" <span
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I've been linked to this discussion and I can't see a
very descriptive account of what actually happened.
"Harassment" can be a number of things and it is also
perceived/felt (right?), so I suggest being more
expressive."<br>
<br>
And:<br>
</span><br>
" <span
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is the second example of somebody being banned for other
people</span><br
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<span
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them "annoying". With anonymity, the trustees become an</span><br
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<span
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of good taste (TM) at their own discretion, possibly
backed up</span><br
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<span
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howling wolves. Fine. I'm sure the Trustees are aware of
the</span><br
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<span
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in both historic examples of various annoyances to</span><br
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<span
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and on the other side a modern trend in false harassment</span><br
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<span
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(Even if this is not the case here).</span><br
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<br
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<span
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was actually apparent in the linked "it" email on<span> </span></span><span
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Peter</span><br
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<span
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accused of "dehumanizing" (morally bad!) a<span> </span></span><span
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But when I</span><br
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<span
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into it, what I saw was him/it playing an (annoying)
semantic</span><br
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<span
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idea of doing away with normal conception of "human
person". As</span><br
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<span
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read it, this is only "insulting" if you read it through
your own</span><br
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<span
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lens, the proper one. He/it wasn't being selectively</span><br
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<span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">"dehumanizing"
either.</span><br
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<span
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me it was an example of this person's somewhat annoying
and</span><br
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<span
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behaviour, as much as general cultural hegemony."<br>
<br>
And:<br>
</span><br>
<span
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<span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">"Guys,
restating, I am not - or was not - agitating on
anyone's behalf.</span><br
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<span
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nothing is being put "up for debate", though things
are</span><br
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<span
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debated. (Etc. A careful reader might have found more
worrying</span><br
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<span
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in follow up responses to my last one.)"</span><br>
</span><br>
<br>
Then they accuse him of 'agitating' on my behalf. <br>
<br>
So clearly anyone that speaks up in my favour is going to
get bullied like this.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
They are now censoring my list posts, so I have no way to
respond to the false allegations.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
London Hackspace Ltd Articles of Association:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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