<div dir="ltr">I hesitate to say this, but their behavior doesn't sound that unreasonable, given how you come off in those links. I certainly wouldn't characterize their actions as bullying or seeming to be motivated by hidden reasons. <div><br></div><div>I think you are expecting a certain amount of flexibility and forbearance that they're simply not willing to extend to you because of a history of unproductive interactions. It's a community, occasionally you are going to have expectation mismatches like this. It's not unconstitutional or bullying for a community to use established community processes that you agreed to when you became a member. That you don't like the result of those processes aside. </div><div><br></div><div>It really does seem more productive for you to find or make a new community that matches you better. Certainly something as big as LHS is going to have enormous social inertia, hard to move it in the direction you seem to want. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Arclight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arclight@gmail.com" target="_blank">arclight@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Also, if I read the links you sent correctly, it sounds like they<br>
already banned you. At this point, I would definitely take the advice<br>
of "go find new people" to heart. This is a lost cause, and fighting<br>
it will only consume energy you could be putting towards projects. Not<br>
fun, but the most productive course of action.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Arclight<br>
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:25 PM, matt <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hell,<br>
><br>
> I have my own experience with this. At a space that will remain<br>
> nameless, I had some folks begin to spread some rumours and lies and the<br>
> sort behind my back because they didn't like me or who even knows why. At<br>
> that point I made the call... this space is not a community I want to be a<br>
> part of. There are toxic members, and as long as they are here this<br>
> community will never be one I am comfortable being a part of. That meant I<br>
> ended up doing a lot of my hacking the way I did years and years ago...<br>
> alone in my apt.<br>
><br>
> It's a shite state of affairs, but if a community tolerates toxic<br>
> membership there is not much you can do. Fighting toxic membership is a<br>
> losing battle. It takes far more effort to fight them than it does for them<br>
> to fight you, and you will end up wishing you hadn't in the end.<br>
><br>
> I agree with Chris, cut your losses and move on. That doesn't mean<br>
> necessarily you have to hack in your apt alone. It might be as simple as<br>
> following the hackerspaces design patterns, and finding 4 good folks to hack<br>
> with and starting your own space. There's nothing wrong with a diversity of<br>
> smaller hackerspaces rather than some uniform monolith megaspace.<br>
><br>
> Sorry people weren't awesome. =/<br>
><br>
> -Matt<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Arclight <<a href="mailto:arclight@gmail.com">arclight@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> An understated response is always 100X more effective than a long,<br>
>> emotional one. If for some reason I didn't just move on from a<br>
>> situation like this, I would do the following:<br>
>><br>
>> 1. Determine if there is anyone who cares and can make a difference<br>
>> 2. Privately speak to those people. Do it in a business-like manner<br>
>> and without a 30 minute story. Just a simple "I feel like a couple of<br>
>> our folks are stepping over the line and making me uncomfortable. What<br>
>> should I do?" Get their feedback and/or buy-in.<br>
>> 3. Privately speak to the people you think are the problem. Often<br>
>> times, the people who relish in passive-aggressive behaviour can be<br>
>> set straight by a private chat if it's done in a business-like way.<br>
>> Either that, or they'll totally lose their shit and think you're going<br>
>> to kill them. Whatever happens, the matter will be resolved.<br>
>> 4. Consider that there may not be a personality fit here and that<br>
>> there are more productive things you could be doing rather than trying<br>
>> to fit a culture that isn't healthy. You can always walk away and come<br>
>> back later when things have imploded and you can be part of the<br>
>> rebuilding.<br>
>> 5. Whatever you do, do not send a long, personal e-mail to the org's<br>
>> general mailing list. No matter how in-the-right you may be, you'll<br>
>> come across as a crazy cat lady and it really serves no constructive<br>
>> purpose.<br>
>><br>
>> Just my USD$.02 from having had to deal with a few messy membership<br>
>> issues.<br>
>> Arclight<br>
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